What Does the Adventist Church Need to do about Joy & Pickle

[odie1962]

These are Gailon's words.....

While you have disdain for my "reporting" we have historically uncovered a number of church and or institutional corruption scams over the years. Almost 40 years we have been at this process of uncovering and exposing to the light of day corruption and misuse of church and institutional funds. And where do you think we get our information from? And who do you think it is that asks us to investigate? Usually, inside administrators that are frustrated by the gross and sometimes daring abuses and have found no other way to get their pleas for justice heard.

And your premise that it is money that is the motivation would make my wife roll in laughter. No, I have never been paid for what I do. But I do have conference presidents and other administrators frequently calling me about a "problem" that I need to look into. A Union Officer was the leak in the AUC misuse of funds case with Lashley. Disaffected SDA Directors were the sources for the stories about BRMC/New England Memorial Hospital. I have taken down lawyers with the same impunity that I have for corrupt church administrators, and will move to expose when I have been shown quite clearly that the balance of power needs some weight on the victims side.

How much truth??? Don't know but do not believe this is all lies.
Now,if what Gailon says is true,which of you would like to trust this man with a loaded gun or go against him after requesting,placing him in a position to have sensitive information.

I am firmly convinced it is a BIGGGGGGGG mistake to assume this man is all wind.

Somehow I don't think his" I have been shown quite clearly " is quite the
same as when EW said "she had been shown"

[Rodney]

Now,if what Gailon says is true,which of you would like to trust this man with a loaded gun or go against him after requesting,placing him in a position to have sensitive information.

I am firmly convinced it is a BIGGGGGGGG mistake to assume this man is all wind.

Somehow I don't think his" I have been shown quite clearly " is quite the
same as when EW said "she had been shown"

I tend to agree with your analysis Odie. I think you referenced somewhere else what you do with a dangerous animal. My sense is that the sooner Joy is put down, the better it will be for the Adventist Church. If some small thinking administrators of the church have actually helped to unleash him, they will rue the day. He has no compunctions about biting the hand that has fed him.

Rodney

[odie1962]

I tend to agree with your analysis Odie. I think you referenced somewhere else what you do with a dangerous animal. My sense is that the sooner Joy is put down, the better it will be for the Adventist Church. If some small thinking administrators of the church have actually helped to unleash him, they will rue the day. He has no compunctions about biting the hand that has fed him.

Rodney

If what is said is true,and I do think there is more than a little element of truth it is going to be mighty hard to put this one down without suffering the damage he can do.

I think he fully enjoys the image some have of a empty wind bag. At this point I think he has more than wind. This type of situations make for strange bedfellows. I did not find out how strange until the six year battle of my son's

[odie1962]

If LS is back in the fold of this fearless leader as it appears she might be,heaven help her before it is over. For a time Gailon appeared to be somewhat out of patience with her.

Most do not consider "gossip" usually has some truth to it. The truth can be uglier than the gossip shows at times.

Stan mentioned his little goldfish and the story the little goldfish gave . I think the little goldfish was LS or someone acting on her behalf, blaming others for what she failed to do. Called on it, he made a point of not apologizing for blaming Gregory,but made more of an impact the way he worded what should have been an apology.
Had there not been any truth to what Stan was repeating from his little goldfish, LS should have been quick to reply or have Stan retract his statement as a "mistake". I do not believe that either DS or LS are ignorant of what is being said on the forums and if LS did not want that accusation out here or being repeated it would have been taken care of.

Now instead of seeming distance between Gailon,Bob,and LS as per Stan's statment ,it seems Gailon refers to her with a little more kindness. Wonder why that would be. Gailon is not forgiving or known for relenting. If as Stan repeated gailon and Bob were also responsible for LS lack,why the turn a round.


I am firmly convinced there are several little goldfish that have the ear of strange bedfellows.

Staements are being made here and elsewhere that those making them cannot back up. Both sides do so as having utter faith and admiration in those they defend.
No one can vouch for DS and his role in this mess. He tells and let's others see just what he wishes for them to see. Same for LS. You do not know the personal information on his personal tax return,nor on LS. Yet,you are all absolutely convinced the hero on both sides are telling the truth. And you will continue to vouch for them and claim you know


I think the key players in this mess, either side will turn on a dime when they believe circumstances require it. Some of you should be a little more careful about where you stand, refusing to budge.

Gailon I believe would throw his own mother under the bus(figuratively) to get at what he wants. I think DS makes a worthy adversary and would do same. I believe lS is perfectly capable of playing both sides against the middle,never understanding that there will come a time both sides will meet and she may be number one casualty .

Truthfully I would not be backing any of these. I would definitely be getting a new goldfish

[Penny]

Stan mentioned his little goldfish and the story the little goldfish gave . I think the little goldfish was LS or someone acting on her behalf, blaming others for what she failed to do. Called on it, he made a point of not apologizing for blaming Gregory,but made more of an impact the way he worded what should have been an apology.
Had there not been any truth to what Stan was repeating from his little goldfish, LS should have been quick to reply or have Stan retract his statement as a "mistake". I do not believe that either DS or LS are ignorant of what is being said on the forums and if LS did not want that accusation out here or being repeated it would have been taken care of.

I must have missed Stan's goldfish parable. Can someone post a link to it? Thanks.

[odie1962]

It appears that portion that included names of Gailo,Bob,Fran and Gregory has gone to the famous black hole. Along with Gregory's rebuttal and Stan's reply that was used to take the place of an aopolgy by saying He)Stan) may have overstated in Gregory's case

http://adventistforum.com/forum/ubbthre ... s/175583/1


Note that calvin asked if the ban on others speaking of 3ABN had been lifted,no reply. But his little goldfish may still be alive and and well. What Stan repeats from talking with others is what he has so stronly condemned .
Practically first hand

[Penny]

Staements are being made here and elsewhere that those making them cannot back up. Both sides do so as having utter faith and admiration in those they defend.
No one can vouch for DS and his role in this mess. He tells and let's others see just what he wishes for them to see. Same for LS. You do not know the personal information on his personal tax return,nor on LS. Yet,you are all absolutely convinced the hero on both sides are telling the truth. And you will continue to vouch for them and claim you know

I think the key players in this mess, either side will turn on a dime when they believe circumstances require it. Some of you should be a little more careful about where you stand, refusing to budge.

Odie you bring up a good point. It seems as if both sides have complete and utter faith in those they defend. Those of us that support 3ABN - the ministry - do have greater faith that the ministry has operated above board following the laws of the land and, more importantly, the laws of God. Anyone looking for dirt could dig around and find something or somethings wrong. But, for example, by looking at the 990 forms that Gailon and his crew have posted with long commentary of their (Gailon & etc's) "proof" of whatever all they accused 3ABN of - if you just look at those forms you can clearly see that 3ABN had made mistakes and then corrected them. All a matter of public record.

People/organizations make mistakes...the real question is...do they correct their mistakes and then move on in the right direction? Or do they make mistakes and then after being made aware of the error, persist in the wrong direction?

Personally I believe that 3ABN has made mistakes and errors in judgment. But I also believe that 3ABN (that is, the people of 3ABN and mostly its leadership) have made have made corrections and 3ABN continues to move in the "right" direction - that is, moving where God is leading.

There have been many accusations that have been hurled at 3ABN and Danny - accusations pertaining to events or supposed events that occurred during the time that Linda and Danny were still married and Linda was still VP of 3ABN. Yet the blame continues to accrue only against Danny. If Linda believed that such great wrongs were being done when she was there, why didn't she say something at the time and when she had the influence within the organization to do something about those things? Over and over it has been repeated that Linda knew nothing, saw nothing, heard nothing and for sure we know that she spoke nothing. But suddenly after her departure she remembers everything and in minute detail? This just doesn't add up.

[Penny]

It appears that portion that included names of Gailo,Bob,Fran and Gregory has gone to the famous black hole. Along with Gregory's rebuttal and Stan's reply that was used to take the place of an aopolgy by saying He)Stan) may have overstated in Gregory's case

http://adventistforum.com/forum/ubbthre ... s/175583/1

Note that calvin asked if the ban on others speaking of 3ABN had been lifted,no reply. But his little goldfish may still be alive and and well. What Stan repeats from talking with others is what he has so stronly condemned .
Practically first hand

Thanks for putting up the link...and explaining why it has so little about goldfish in it. Perhaps some other kind soul had saved it before it went into the black hole and can post it here.

[odie1962]

There have been many accusations that have been hurled at 3ABN and Danny - accusations pertaining to events or supposed events that occurred during the time that Linda and Danny were still married and Linda was still VP of 3ABN. Yet the blame continues to accrue only against Danny. If Linda believed that such great wrongs were being done when she was there, why didn't she say something at the time and when she had the influence within the organization to do something about those things? Over and over it has been repeated that Linda knew nothing, saw nothing, heard nothing and for sure we know that she spoke nothing. But suddenly after her departure she remembers everything and in minute detail? This just doesn't add up.

That is not something you have heard from me. It does add up if you think back to Jim and Tammy Baker.

Personally in the Baker case I believe Tammy should have been provided free bed and board along with her husband.
There was no way she was ignorant enough to believe there were no financial irregularities. Wonder if she thought air conditioned dog houses were the norm. Jim Baker had the power and she was more than a willing participant.

I believe same with LS. I believe there are a couple on both sides of this that like the reflected glory they think they see coming thier way. The have this ever righteous campaign against gossip and rumor mongering while they are gossiping and rumour mongering.

People can attest all day long to the personal business of the Shelton's,pick which one is telling the truth and believe DS or LS as they give glowing references for themselves,no one knows squat about living in that house.
No one knows squat about how DS or LS for that matter handled their tax returns. Franky, I think the e-mails from DS to LS were provided by LS to do the most damage. I do not believe DS was ignorant of what he was suggesting to LS. It is easy to reconsider when your suggestions are made public.


I do not believe LS's was denied another ministry because of anyone but herself. DS I believe is also knee deep in this and has only himself to thank

[Rodney]

I would like to restate the original question on this thread. Does the Adventist church need to act against Joy & Pickle now or should they wait until they have a full blown crisis on their hands?