Antics of Mr. Pickle and Mr. Joy

[Marv Smith]

Synthian;

You are quite a bit behind on your Pacer Posting. What did you think of the evidence that crumbles poor Brenda's credibility? Think her story will change yet again?

Looking forward to your updates. And what did you think of that concern that we were looking for evidence that would help Linda in her case in Illinois? What do they have to hide??? Any Idea so we know what to look for???

And why would they oppose the subpoena of the records of the US Attorney in Southern Illinois if they have been exonerated? And why would they be concerned we would get the 100,000 documents if they were destroyed?

Puzzling, isn't it??? Looking forward to your assistance on these issues?

Gailon Arthur Joy

I have to admit that I do find you extremely irritating at times gailon. I'm sure this pleases you.

Then I remember the schoolyard bully in 7th grade that got his clock cleaned by the quiet boy in 5th grade. We never saw that bully again. I smile and have a good day.

[Donna]

William Shakespeare gave words of wisdom concerning such boasting Gailon.

The empty vessel makes the greatest sound.

[Penny]

from the other site, Pickle posted this in response to allegations from GN that Pickle had been to the residence of a woman in Wisconsin and persisted at her door or her intercom for 10 minutes, even when the woman had asked him to depart.

She [GN] never contacted me to verify anything. And since the matter was not a public matter, I suspect that this was a violation of Matthew 18.

Further, I suspect that the source of her information may have been Gregory Scott Thompson, who has demonstrated to all the world that he will not hesitate to prevaricate or lie, since on BSDA he said, "As for the drinking of Kool-aid . . . the Pickle/Joy version is a rather deadly blend of 1 smidgen of truth, 3 gallons of untruth, mixed carefully in a vat of deception, anger, and pride."

So a valid question might be why GN has decided to take the word of such an individual rather than check out both sides.

GN has not indicated who her source for this story was. But Pickle has his suspicions that it is GST. Then in the last sentence attempts to cast doubt on GN's sources - as if it is a FACT that GN got the information from GST.

This makes for good rhetoric, but for very poor facts. Which makes any thinking person wonder about the rest of Pickle's statements...are they rhetoric (noise-making) with innuendos, but very short on facts?

More valid questions to Pickle are:

• -What is his version of the story? (Seems quite clear that the incident occurred, but his interpretation may be different)
  
  -Why does he suspect that GST may have been the source of the story?
  
  -Why would he then state as a supposed fact that "GN has decided to take the word" of GST, when it is not at all confirmed that GST was the source?

Maybe Pickle will have the courtesy to answer these questions...straight-forwardly with the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and not try to go off on some bunny trail to distract the reader's attention from the matter at hand.

[Breezy]

Penny, you bring up some excellent points! When GrandmaNettie first brought up this subject, Mr. Pickle came right back and said this:

"Where did you get such a false allegation? Who told you such a false tale"?

So the first thing he said to GN was: it was a "FALSE allegation and a FALSE tale. Doesn't this seem to say it was NOT true? Doesn't this tell you he is completely denying this story happened? But when Bob said this, he adds the word: "such" to even make more emphasis that the tale is absolutely not true. There is not an ounce of truth in this story. This is the impression Bob gives when he used this sentence.

Then Mr. Pickle tries to change the subject and when that doesn't work, then he says what Penny quoted above, trying to downplay the person he THINKS reported the story to GN. But by this point, he is half-way admitting that something DID happen. He just doesn't tell us what it was.

As for myself--if I were to say these words: "Where did you get such a false allegation? Who told you such a false tale"? as Mr. Pickle said, I would be saying in essence: NO THIS IS TOTALLY FALSE--I DIDN'T DO THIS. NONE OF IT IS TRUE. So when I read these words from Mr. Pickle as I quoted above, I assumed he meant exactly what he said. But evidentally not. Because now he is saying the story wasn't told correctly. SO THERE IS A STORY--something DID happen. Which now brings me back to his first quote denying this story as a "false tale."

"Where did you get such a false allegation? Who told you such a false tale"?

You see, Bob is an expert at using NLP. He doesn't use words honestly like you or I would. When someone uses the words: "This is a false tale" I'm thinking the whole story is absolutely false. But no, Bob is thinking he can say these words and then come back and say "parts of the tale is false."

My question is this: WHY didn't Bob Pickle say this in the first place? Why can he not be up front and HONEST?

I also am waiting for his version of the story especially since he said, "Where did you get such a false allegation? Who told you such a false tale"? I'm really wondering how "such" a FALSE STORY and FALSE TALE can have even a smidgen of truth in it.

[Breezy]

Interesting reply from Mr. Joy. Evidentally he can speak for Pickle? Bob seems strangely quiet.

Here is Mr Joy's reply to GrandmaNettie. It does seem lacking in evidence doesn't it? But it does prove one thing: Mr. Pickle was not telling the truth when he said in reply to GN that this was "such a FALSE tale and such a FALSE allegation. Mr. Joy is now saying it was true.

What does this say about Pickle? Can we trust anything he says? NO!!

Mr. Joy's post below in reply to GN:

"YOUR SOURCE IS NOW UNTRUSTWORTHY. Mr Pickle did not have her phone number, and thus the need to stop by and speak with her directly. So, Grandma, why don't you call the lady directly and get the truth.

THEN COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT OTHER UNRELIABLE INFORMATION YOU ACQUIRED FROM THE SOURCE!!!!

As a Journalist, you clearly understand that when your source is proven untrustworthy, you then have to go back and research the sources other statements and determine if a retraction is required.

By the way, can I subscribe to your journals? Tit for tat, you know".

Gailon Arthur Joy


This also shows that Pickle DID harass this woman. He went to her home first and then he phoned her. What GrandmaNettie said is true.

[Breezy]

It is interesting to note that Bob Pickle has answered but only to say Mr. Joy was right in his post and to say this:


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Gailon is correct. The only way I could speak to her was to stop by, since I could not locate a phone number. And I spent a good bit of time trying.

Didn't know if she still lived at the place or not. It was a shot in the dark.

Now, since I didn't have her phone number, who gave it to me so that we could continue our conversation?
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So now Bob is going to do his usual "blame game" on GrandmaNettie and try to discredit what she said. Only problem is what he says isn't complete. We know that Bob Pickle arrived AT THE DOOR of the home of a woman, who was scared of him and knew her children were scared of him. After his badgering her for several minutes, YES, she did give her phone number to him TO GET RID OF HIM. Her children were AFRAID of this strange man who was being PUSHY. She did NOT GIVE HIM HER PHONE number to "continue" the conversation. Sorry Bob, won't work. She gave you her phone number to GET RID OF YOU because her children were SCARED OF YOU. A phone call is much less frightening. So--did she hang up on you Bob?

What is even more interesting is that Bob has phoned other people and harassed them also even making THREATS.

Oh but wait--I forgot--Pickle said it was a "FALSE ALLEGATION" by GrandmaNettie and a "FALSE TALE." But now he says it is a true story. Did he admit it was true because he got caught or because he was convicted? I'll let you decide.

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Now Snoopy posted this to GrandmaNettie about the same story. It matters not when this happened to this poor woman and her frightened children. Because it happened months ago doesn't make it untrue. What matters is that it DID happen even though Bob Pickle said it was a FALSE TALE.

But Snoopy--excuse me? WHY would the "ex-spouse" have an "axe to grind" with whom??? her ex-husband? Nope, they are friends (unfortunatley for Pickle--he was hoping to get some dirt on the ex-husband) or maybe it was Pickle? Nope, she didn't know him, had never met him before. Soooo--sorry, your post doesn't make sense. Here is Snoopy's post below:

"Ha. You told me that story a long time ago as if it were truth, and it was just yesterday you bothered to try to get Bob's version?? Sorry, but you might want to revisit the procedures you use in your quest for "the truth" and not just take the word of an ex-spouse who has an axe to grind".

Hi Snoopy --you and I both know if I posted this over on your forum, you would ban me for it and delete my post. But you can't ban me here and the TRUTH will be told!!!

Breezy

[Marv Smith]

It is pretty obvious that Bob does not want to discuss the revelation of his harassment of this poor women. I'm not a bit surprised at the silly posts by Snoopy and Sister as they are fully behind any activity, no matter how distasteful, that their leaders are involved in.

It is somewhat amusing to see Bob fumble around on this and I guess there is still some hope left for him as unlike Joy, he has difficulty in outright lying. Lying by deception, misdirection, and dissembling are acceptable in his righteous cause but a direct lie still gives him pause.

What I can't figure out is why he is so loathe to admit his actions on this one. Having a hard time justifying this time Bob?

[odie1962]

It is pretty obvious that Bob does not want to discuss the revelation of his harassment of this poor women. I'm not a bit surprised at the silly posts by Snoopy and Sister as they are fully behind any activity, no matter how distasteful, that their leaders are involved in.

It is somewhat amusing to see Bob fumble around on this and I guess there is still some hope left for him as unlike Joy, he has difficulty in outright lying. Lying by deception, misdirection, and dissembling are acceptable in his righteous cause but a direct lie still gives him pause.

What I can't figure out is why he is so loathe to admit his actions on this one. Having a hard time justifying this time Bob?

I have not seen Bob's latest reply, but am wondering at times if Bob has not been underestimated? When it comes to answers I believe he said sometimes he is to precise. That took some creative maneuvering.
I am not questioning the story as I know nothing about it,but the little reading I did of Grandma Nettie ,it was easy to see where the other side would strike. Somebody you don't want in your home or on your property, call 911 and have them removed. I strongly suspect had that happened Bob would have left very suddenly.

I think some involved in this saga really do not know truth from a lie.
odie

[Penny]

It is pretty obvious that Bob does not want to discuss the revelation of his harassment of this poor women. I'm not a bit surprised at the silly posts by Snoopy and Sister as they are fully behind any activity, no matter how distasteful, that their leaders are involved in.

It is somewhat amusing to see Bob fumble around on this and I guess there is still some hope left for him as unlike Joy, he has difficulty in outright lying. Lying by deception, misdirection, and dissembling are acceptable in his righteous cause but a direct lie still gives him pause.

What I can't figure out is why he is so loathe to admit his actions on this one. Having a hard time justifying this time Bob?

Bob, bless his soul, is out on a fishing expedition. Trying to see how much information he can fish out of GN, but never him coming out and relating the whole incident. And this despite Daryl asking more than once for him to do so. It's always (from them) "You tell us more." The same must be demanded from them. Let them show their evidence - unadulterated and complete.

It is about time that Pickle & Joy's true intentions and tactics are exposed. As carefully as they have parsed and sliced the truth on this one episode is enough to persuade me that they have made a habit of dicing up the truth and discarding the parts that are not convenient to their cause. And when they are pressed, they then go on attack mode.

Well, shucks! Even Joy calls himself a skunk. http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index. ... 3.120.html See reply #128

And you know that if you try and play with skunks, frequently you will get sprayed!!!

IT