Gardenerl/Housekeeper

[odie1962]

I wonder why we have four books of the Bible--Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. All telling their version of the same story, all focusing on specifics that were important to them. Some even look like they contradict each other. But all were telling the truth.

This does not even apply.

What I'm saying is that the stories you heard from those who support 3abn were true ones to their knowledge and what those who wrote them out remembered. We are all human beings and we all look at the same things in a different way

The story that DS wrote about the horses--came from the "horses mouth" so to speak and you should take that version as the closest to being accurate. I mean afterall, why NOT? It doesn't mean the others were "lying" or "prevaricating the truth."

Why not believe what the "horses mouth" said?? Unless you have ever done this as a business you will not understand/

I have no doubt that most of you are repeating truth as it has been told to you. That does not make it true.

The multiple stories that have been told concerning this is simply not possible

Really--if someone wants to make a big deal about the "horses" they just don't have enough to do in their day.

This is always the way out when a explaination is asked for. Yes, it would be a big deal if this were proven

[Breezy]

Odie, you are the most closed-minded individual I've ever talked with. Sorry to have bothered you with my explanations.

[odie1962]

Odie, you are the most closed-minded individual I've ever talked with. Sorry to have bothered you with my explanations.

I find this almost humorous. You cannot explain that which you don't know. You are trying to supply answers to something you know nothing about. I will remain "close minded" to your explainations. From someone that has no first hand working knowledge trying to explain to someone that did same for 17 years, 24/7
Both sides throw the same accusations around towards those they see as the enemy and are convinced it is not them that is close minded.

Sorry you simply cannot explain to me what I did for 17 years.

[Donna]

Too many times I have seen some who come forth and spread negativity when faced with issues they themselves have gone through in times past and have no understanding that it could in any way be different for someone else. What is difficult for one may be easier or just work out differently for another. It could be due to circumstances, faith, the individuals themselves or any other reason. The why of it only God knows. Granted, Odie spent 17 years 24/7 working with horses. Danny has also spent many years working with horses. Both have a working knowledge of what it takes to raise and take care of horses. We only know of how Odie looks at Danny’s side and it seems to be in disbelief.

It reminds me of the many caring and concerned people who came to me with counsel because of the many children I had. They questioned how I could feed, clothe and educate them as they themselves had a difficult time doing the same with 2 or 3 children and their husbands earned a larger income. Some of the wives had to work outside the home in order to do these things for their children. Yet the Lord was blessing me with not only time to cook and bake all that we ate from scratch, sewing clothes and bedding, curtains etc, but also time to do up to 3 jobs in our local church and help those in need who came to me. The children who were interested in music were somehow blessed with instruments and taught themselves to play. Some of them were class officers and honor students. All of them graduated high school and those who wanted to attended or graduated from college. When I look back at all that had transpired through those years it is in complete amazement at what the Lord did because I know it was nothing I did or could do on my own. At the same time all those who questioned and judged me did not have the same blessings with their own children.

I don’t know why, and those good women probably don’t know why, but I know that our Lord does know and that is all that matters. In the mean time we should keep reminding ourselves of that and quit comparing our circumstances to anothers and forming our reasoning around it. It can never accomplish good for the innocent or for the wrongdoers.

[odie1962]

Too many times I have seen some who come forth and spread negativity when faced with issues they themselves have gone through in times past and have no understanding that it could in any way be different for someone else. What is difficult for one may be easier or just work out differently for another. It could be due to circumstances, faith, the individuals themselves or any other reason. The why of it only God knows. Granted, Odie spent 17 years 24/7 working with horses. Danny has also spent many years working with horses. Both have a working knowledge of what it takes to raise and take care of horses. We only know of how Odie looks at Danny’s side and it seems to be in disbelief.

What you say can be true to a point. However what my opinion is based on is the those area's where there is no room for doubt.

It reminds me of the many caring and concerned people who came to me with counsel because of the many children I had. They questioned how I could feed, clothe and educate them as they themselves had a difficult time doing the same with 2 or 3 children and their husbands earned a larger income. Some of the wives had to work outside the home in order to do these things for their children. Yet the Lord was blessing me with not only time to cook and bake all that we ate from scratch, sewing clothes and bedding, curtains etc, but also time to do up to 3 jobs in our local church and help those in need who came to me. The children who were interested in music were somehow blessed with instruments and taught themselves to play. Some of them were class officers and honor students. All of them graduated high school and those who wanted to attended or graduated from college. When I look back at all that had transpired through those years it is in complete amazement at what the Lord did because I know it was nothing I did or could do on my own. At the same time all those who questioned and judged me did not have the same blessings with their own children.

This is also true for others. Had my share of comments such as these raising 8 children under ten. You are not giving a very good example.There are things that must remain the same with 2 children or 10 children. Yes, some can manage better than others, but you cannot eliminate certain necessities and that is what is begin done concerning DS

I don’t know why, and those good women probably don’t know why, but I know that our Lord does know and that is all that matters. In the mean time we should keep reminding ourselves of that and quit comparing our circumstances to anothers and forming our reasoning around it. It can never accomplish good for the innocent or for the wrongdoers.

Yes, I am thankful as well all my children are in the church. That hasn't a thing to do with horses and not believing DS.


But in most ways it isn't important anymore. Gailon and Bob have done a superb job of not only destroying their own credibility but that of those that had sincere concerns over issues at 3ABN.

[Donna]

I don't understand what you mean in the following statement. Would you please explain.

you cannot eliminate certain necessities and that is what is begin done concerning DS

[odie1962]

I don't understand what you mean in the following statement. Would you please explain.

you cannot eliminate certain necessities and that is what is begin done concerning DS

No two people do the same job exactly alike. probably at least partially, is why some fail and others suceed at the same task /business.
Some things however are a must to suceed and I am not seeing that with what you and others have said and what DS now tries to explain about the horses
While I believe the principal players on both sides really deserve one another,Gailon and Joy have pretty much destroyed what they claimed to set out to do.Hopefuly in the process some issues concerning 3ABN have been rectified.
I know that most everyone here thinks DS is 150% innocent, and LS 150% guilty, largely because he/she said. For me, I can't see anything but they both are. I would not trust either of them to the end of my very short driveway.
DS does have the advantage with a public,very visible ministry,but personally I don't believe either belongs there.
DS has almost a cult like following that doesn't appear to have as much to do with 3ABN as it does DS himself.

[odie1962]

I take care of the feeding of all of my own horses. Jim Gilley will occasionlly feed for me if I need him too.

And who I wonder took care of them before Jum Gilley?? How did/does DS basically care for his own horses while gone almost non-stop.

In general I have always taken care of my own horses, though for about a year or two, one of my salaried employees, David Everett, felt that the Lord had impressed him to help me with their care. He came before work every morning so 3ABN would not be paying him. He considered it a ministry. I've heard all kinds rumors concerning this and have yet to hear the truth. It's situations like this where I could see the need in the church for a book about "The Church Rumor Mill".

Is this the same man that felt impressed to bale hay for him three times a year at no cost,or are we talking of two men impressed to do this??

And who I wonder took care of them before Jim Gilley?? How did/does DS basically care for his own horses while gone almost non-stop.

ps. I don't have a fancy barn or stables in fact my barn is only 27'x47' which does not house any horses. I'm grateful to Jim Gilley for loaning me his barn. There are no fancy stables. Only cheap OSB board that can be bought for several dollars a 4'x8' sheet for stall petitions. There are no fancy sliding stall doors or anything else fancy in the barn. There are no wash racks with concrete floors nor concrete period. In fact the barn does not even have any glass windows. In the winter I always cover the window frames up with plywood to help keep the wind and rain out!

This is a very strange statement. There isn't a horse breeder with a smidgin of common sense would build stall petitions
out of basically plywood. One good kick and horse hoof thru the plywood with a great chance of injury. BTW, he neglected to state where he kept the stallion. It can of course run with the mares, except that is done at some risk. If all mares were not bred and the stallion is sharing space with them when one comes into heat,he will run her ragged. Sometimes there is even injury. So it would be interesting to where the stallion was kept.
If this animals did not have some type of ventilation and forced into that situation he should not have horses.

. In the winter I always cover the window frames up with plywood to help keep the wind and rain out! [/quote]

Anyone treating an animal to dark,damp living quarters should have to spend some time there as well. In addition horses do not take to dampness well

Horse needs are different from cattle needs.



This barn, which is now Jims barn, cost $23,000 to build. I had a local comp. build it for me nearly 10 years ago. You can't build much of a barn and stables on less than twenty five thousand. I'm sorry for you critics you may want to look somewhere else if your looking for extravaganza!

I repeat,if clean, well ventilated facitlities for animals cannot be provided don't have them

[odie1962]

take care of the feeding of all of my own horses. Jim Gilley will occasionlly feed for me if I need him too.

And who I wonder took care of them before Jum Gilley?? How did/does DS basically care for his own horses while gone almost non-stop.

In general I have always taken care of my own horses, though for about a year or two, one of my salaried employees, David Everett, felt that the Lord had impressed him to help me with their care. He came before work every morning so 3ABN would not be paying him. He considered it a ministry. I've heard all kinds rumors concerning this and have yet to hear the truth. It's situations like this where I could see the need in the church for a book about "The Church Rumor Mill".

Is this the same man that felt impressed to bale hay for him three times a year at no cost,or are we talking of two men impressed to do this??

And who I wonder took care of them before Jim Gilley?? How did/does DS basically care for his own horses while gone almost non-stop.

ps. I don't have a fancy barn or stables in fact my barn is only 27'x47' which does not house any horses. I'm grateful to Jim Gilley for loaning me his barn. There are no fancy stables. Only cheap OSB board that can be bought for several dollars a 4'x8' sheet for stall petitions. There are no fancy sliding stall doors or anything else fancy in the barn. There are no wash racks with concrete floors nor concrete period. In fact the barn does not even have any glass windows. In the winter I always cover the window frames up with plywood to help keep the wind and rain out!

This is a very strange statement. There isn't a horse breeder with a smidgin of common sense would build stall petitions
out of basically plywood. One good kick and horse hoof thru the plywood with a great chance of injury. BTW, he neglected to state where he kept the stallion. It can of course run with the mares, except that is done at some risk. If all mares were not bred and the stallion is sharing space with them when one comes into heat,he will run her ragged. Sometimes there is even injury. So it would be interesting to where the stallion was kept.
If this animals did not have some type of ventilation and forced into that situation he should not have horses. Even in extremely cold weather they need good ventilation, not windows boarded up. I forget what the complete air exchange is but that doesn't happen with everything boarded up. You need the good air circulation to decrease mositure ,removes odor and ammonia. By the time you can smell ammonia the damage has already begun to the horses lungs.
Why would anyone with any brains at all coop up a horse in a stall without windows,light and clean air


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[quote} In the winter I always cover the window frames up with plywood to help keep the wind and rain out! [/quote]

Sheer absolute idiocy. Somehow I don't think so,a vet coming to the premises would be having a little chat with Mr.Shelton

Anyone treating an animal to dark,damp living quarters should have to spend some time there as well. In addition horses do not take to dampness well

Horse needs are different from cattle needs.

This barn, which is now Jims barn, cost $23,000 to build. I had a local comp. build it for me nearly 10 years ago. You can't build much of a barn and stables on less than twenty five thousand. I'm sorry for you critics you may want to look somewhere else if your looking for extravaganza!

I repeat,if clean, well ventilated facitlities for animals cannot be provided don't have them[/quote]

[odie1962]

I take care of the feeding of all of my own horses. Jim Gilley will occasionlly feed for me if I need him too.

And who I wonder took care of them before Jum Gilley?? How did/does DS basically care for his own horses while gone almost non-stop.

In general I have always taken care of my own horses, though for about a year or two, one of my salaried employees, David Everett, felt that the Lord had impressed him to help me with their care. He came before work every morning so 3ABN would not be paying him. He considered it a ministry. I've heard all kinds rumors concerning this and have yet to hear the truth. It's situations like this where I could see the need in the church for a book about "The Church Rumor Mill".

Is this the same man that felt impressed to bale hay for him three times a year at no cost,or are we talking of two men impressed to do this??

And who I wonder took care of them before Jim Gilley?? How did/does DS basically care for his own horses while gone almost non-stop.

ps. I don't have a fancy barn or stables in fact my barn is only 27'x47' which does not house any horses. I'm grateful to Jim Gilley for loaning me his barn. There are no fancy stables. Only cheap OSB board that can be bought for several dollars a 4'x8' sheet for stall petitions. There are no fancy sliding stall doors or anything else fancy in the barn. There are no wash racks with concrete floors nor concrete period. In fact the barn does not even have any glass windows. In the winter I always cover the window frames up with plywood to help keep the wind and rain out!

This is a very strange statement. There isn't a horse breeder with a smidgin of common sense would build stall petitions
out of basically plywood. One good kick and horse hoof thru the plywood with a great chance of injury. BTW, he neglected to state where he kept the stallion. It can of course run with the mares, except that is done at some risk. If all mares were not bred and the stallion is sharing space with them when one comes into heat,he will run her ragged. Sometimes there is even injury. So it would be interesting to where the stallion was kept.
If this animals did not have some type of ventilation and forced into that situation he should not have horses.

In the winter I always cover the window frames up with plywood to help keep the wind and rain out!

Anyone treating an animal to dark,damp living quarters should have to spend some time there as well. In addition horses do not take to dampness well

Horse needs are different from cattle needs.

This barn, which is now Jims barn, cost $23,000 to build. I had a local comp. build it for me nearly 10 years ago. You can't build much of a barn and stables on less than twenty five thousand. I'm sorry for you critics you may want to look somewhere else if your looking for extravaganza

I repeat,if clean, well ventilated facitlities for animals cannot be provided don't have them