Judgments and Criticisms

[Truth]

Several over on the "Robert Jude Pickle" forum have been critical about things people cannot change.

Example - big ears a speaker has or a hair type or in what I read recently, "huge notorious smile" said in an unkind judgmental way. The Bible says God "formed us in the womb" and so we are created by Him. That fact alone ought to make us wake up and realize when we criticize people made in the image of God, that in reality we are criticizing and judging God Himself.

[Truth]

Artiste (and we know who you are) says over on AdventTalk that there was "more" than just one thing that was porn on this forum.

By all means, SHOW US WHERE IT IS on this forum! if you can't show us where it is, then it is time to be quiet and stop the unfounded accusations. When you continue to say there is porn on this site without any confirmation that it is true is unfair and just plain wrong.

You know perfectly well there is no smut or porn here and that if there was from spam, it was removed as soon as possible. This does not make this forum a smut site. We are Seventh-day Adventist Christians and we do not have anything to do with porn.

Of course it is easy to prove we are right. Readers, feel free to search this site -- you will find out well enough that I tell the TRUTH.

[uncovering truth]

It is interesting to read Artiste's sanctimonious diatribes and condescending accusations. We know she was involved in the accusations against this site and we all know who she is - as she outed herself long, long ago.

The axe she has been grinding since joining the 3ABN accusers is huge. She has also been the primary hypocrite at Robert's site from the beginning. Without her vitriol that site would have fallen silent long ago (since most of the world knows that someone who has been denied pastorates over and over again in the church and someone who is a convicted embezzler are not to be trusted for truth). Her time would be better spent learning about forgiveness, compassion, and loving her fellow human being.

[Jamie]

Artiste (and we know who you are) says over on AdventTalk that there was "more" than just one thing that was porn on this forum.

By all means, SHOW US WHERE IT IS on this forum! if you can't show us where it is, then it is time to be quiet and stop the unfounded accusations. When you continue to say there is porn on this site without any confirmation that it is true is unfair and just plain wrong.

You know perfectly well there is no smut or porn here and that if there was from spam, it was removed as soon as possible. This does not make this forum a smut site. We are Seventh-day Adventist Christians and we do not have anything to do with porn.

Of course it is easy to prove we are right. Readers, feel free to search this site -- you will find out well enough that I tell the TRUTH.

Alex is a liar, plain and simple.

I posted the following announcement on the other forum for those reading there.

Cindy posted this on her "SMUT SITE."

Contrary to the rumors and false accusations being made on adventtalk.com, these closures were NOT due to porn being posted here. We have never allowed porn to be posted here, or allowed links to such. Early on when we first opened our forum we allowed anyone to register or post without permission, but due to this we had an increasing amount of spammers joining and posting here. One morning I had to delete ONE very inappropriate post by a newly registered member which contained sexual references. It was NOT porn, and it was also not here very long before being deleted. Due to that post and not wanting our members or readers to be offended, we decided to change our forum policy, and now require approval for all registrations. (Later, due to multiple violations of our forum rules by new members in their first posts, we also started requiring approval of posts by new members, until it could be determined that the member did not require moderation, and demonstrated that they understood the rules.)

We never established whether the ONE offensive post was posted by a unknown spammer, or by a troublemaker from within the group accusing 3ABN, who's home is on adventtalk. What we do know from their posts is that many of the latter apparently saw it in the short amount of time it was here in that early morning hour. For they immediately, starting with one adventtalk moderator, began to falsely and repeatedly label me a "porn queen", and call this forum "a porn site" and a"smut site"" Now the 3ABN accusers commonly and frequently refer to this forum as the "Smut Site" --so frequently that even their newest members call us that and appear to think we allow porn and smut. Even their forum administrators, Daryl Fawcett and then Johann Thorvaldsson posted that we were a "Smut site" and warned folks to beware of reading here because they might discover porn here. Those false accusations continue to this day. It was just brought up in reference to our recent forum suspension here. It is unfortunate that these folks feel this kind of thing is necessary as that is not honest, and is also in fact slander. They will have to answer for that one day, but even now it reveals to others the characters of the small group accusing the brethren at 3ABN night and day.

Now, Cindy, you need to quit being a LIAR. It was not an offensive post that is being refferred to, as I have seen the photo! There was clearly porn on your site. It was a woman's body part clearly below the beltline and had no panties on! Now, quit lying.

The truth is Alex Walker just told another bold faced lie. Alex could never have seen such a photo from the other forum for there was never such a photo posted there. His credibility becomes worse all the time afaic. If he would lie about this, what wouldn't he lie about?


1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1Ti 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.


Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

cc: other forum

[uncovering truth]

Amazing! Alex claims a massive total of five people for AgainstAdventismTalk who "saw the photo" . . . but if we look at the thread, he was "sent" the photo that appeared. Well, initially that begs the question, was the photo Alex was "sent" really on this website, or was it all a big scam to try and discredit a site that presents the truth in contradiction to the lies of Artist, Pickle, and Alex, et. al.? We'll never know because one can not reasonable expect the truth from anyone at AgainstAdventismTalk, let alone Alex.

Then there is the end of Alex's last post . . . which is classic Robert Pickleese . . . "have your appology [sic] in order" . . . If Robert Jude Pickle had a dollar for every apology he claimed he was owed, he wouldn't have to take the under-the-table payments from God's enemies - instead, he'll go broke waiting for those fantastical payments since HE and Gailon Joy are the ones who need to spend the rest of their lives apologizing and making restitution.

Alex, they're called the Scriptures. Instead of trying to destroy God and tear your fellow man apart . . . spend some time diving into them and learn what they have to offer you, to bring peace to your soul - money never will, fame never will, revenge never will, only a relationship with God will bring you ANY peace.

[Cynthia]

What I find interesting and am amazed by is the pettiness and deceit here in the accusations the folks on adventtalk make. I mean, really? One alleged picture, which even if it was posted here, is quite obviously not something we have ever condoned, or would ever allow here, and is not posted here now. That makes this a PORNO site? That justifies their continuing accusations and name-calling? NOT!

Even "IF" such a picture had ever been posted here then we wouldn't have a reason to lie about it, we would simply have removed it and apologized for any offense that caused and that would be given as the reason for the safeguards we put into effect on this forum in addition to, or instead of the inappropriate post I removed and gave as an example in my previous post about this.

The thing is, I as a forum administrator and moderator have done most of the editing and deleting here from day one, and I never saw such a picture posted and am not aware of such a picture or post being deleted by either of the other two administrators either and have no idea how such a inappropriate picture could have had a few hundred hits as Snoopy claims. Not even if a registered member bent on causing trouble had posted it and removed it themselves within the short time allotted for editing a post. A few hundred viewed it, without any of us being aware of it, and without engendering even one complaint or report on this forum? That seems highly unlikely to me, and again, even had that occurred that would hardly qualify us as being "porn queens" or as operating a "Porn site". That would make that individual guilty. Then again, these type of unwarranted and unjustified and false accusations are the same kind of ridiculous and false accusations made against 3ABN, which we, after making inquiries and doing diligent research have found time and again to be misunderstandings and false assumptions, or outright falsehoods and false accusations.

It appears to me, as Alex refers to an email, that IF such an email exists and that's how this all started? Then whoever the originator of that email is, is the bold faced liar here, and any who may have received it have been deceived in this instance, and in probably a lot more instances from the same individual because they refused to be accountable and swallowed lies. Why? Answer: Anyone can be deceived, BUT, as Christians we are called to make diligent inquiry, to prove all things, and if we do such while asking the Lord to lead, we can avoid such. Refusing to do so, and preferring to love lies and spread false rumors and accusations and run up and down among the people being a talebearer indicates to me that something is wrong and the father of lies is being followed instead of the true Christ who is truth.

Sometimes false things are repeated and there is reason to give folks the benefit of the doubt as they aren't deliberately or knowingly lying, but I can find no such reason here. They cannot prove what they claim as it never occurred and so are unjustified and without excuse.These accusations about this being a PORNO site and the excuses they use to justify why they claim this are all lies. IMO, Rather than insisting that we admit guilt and publicly apologize to them for something we are not guilty of those folks need to lose their arrogant self righteousness and humbly ask the Lord to reveal the truth to them. Then they could ask him to forgive them and do whatever to try and make amends. It is they who ARE GUILTY of SIN here. Not only are they bearing false witness, but they are angry without a cause to be... and are wrong in how they handle things. In this case, and in so many others...

That's all I have to say about this, the rest is between them and the Lord...

[Jamie]

Artiste (and we know who you are) says over on AdventTalk that there was "more" than just one thing that was porn on this forum...

Of course we know there wasn't, and of course it's not a secret who she is, she not only outed herself, but Pickle also outed her in his court filings. (Along with all of his "anonymous sources" who he also threw under the bus) The problem is not just that she is a a disgruntled ex wife of a 3ABN employee, it is that she repeats all that she is told as if it is the gospel truth and as a moderator protects and enables the false accusers to continue and elaborate the true smut, and fawns all over them while deleting any questions or facts which might possibly put them in a bad light or cause them to have to answer. I actually cringe and am embarrassed for her sometimes. As a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon she obviously has intelligence and shouldn't be victim to idol worship and so should be more discerning, and inquiring and responsible before doing so imo.

I read the answers on adventtalk and want to quote the previous post.

"Then again, these type of unwarranted and unjustified and false accusations are the same kind of ridiculous and false accusations made against 3ABN, which we, after making inquiries and doing diligent research have found time and again to be misunderstandings and false assumptions, or outright falsehoods and false accusations."

That's true, and Johann not only does that, but like Artiste, he always chimes in and aids others in making those type of arguments and false accusations.

Johann replied:
"Cindy admits there was something that was removed. Nozir claims there never was. Which one is in the danger zone?"

Huh? I can never figure out if the man is confused himself or deliberately trying to cause confusion, or both. Regardless, many times what he writes is confusing and wrong and confuses others. Most, I hope, on reading Cindy's post and then mine can see they aren't in conflict and do not contradict one another. She spoke of an objectionable post being removed. I stated it wasn't an objectionable picture.

Then he posts only: " I saw it too", and is again confusing as it sounds as if he is agreeing with Snoopy's post claiming she saw a posted picture of a nude woman on this forum and that when she saw it "it had a couple hundred hits", (yeah, right...) but he may have been replying to Alex claiming he saw it in an email. Who knows what he means? Like Artiste he has demonstrated over and over that he is one sided and biased and just repeats what he has been told as much he claims has been proven false. He apparently doesn't realize that, or doesn't choose to. Like her, I have never seen him seriously question anything or anyone criticizing or accusing 3ABN, or even us, unless it's a question geared to allow them to elaborate on their gossip and lies and smear tactics.

For those reasons and more, as I stated before I am done with that forum as far as trying to discuss anything with them or answer their questions. They don't really listen or appear to want the answers they demand, but I may copy and paste the previous post over there for the readers so they aren't snowed.

Have a good Sabbath all...

[Truth]

This is an interesting "judgment" from someone who has never been to 3ABN. No one that I know of at 3ABN feels "superior" to other Adventists. If you'd watch their programming, you can see this is true. Please don't make these "blanket" statements as if you are in the know. You have never been there princessdi and admitted yourself you don't watch the programming SO--this begs the question: how in the world do you think you can presume to make such a widespread blanket judgment about something you know ZERO about? This just boggles my mind.



princessdi
Veteran Member

Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1166

Re: 3ABN -- Doctrine That Divides?
« Reply #9 on: Today at 11:50:49 AM »
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

We can start at the fact that Adventist feel that superior in the first place and then add that 3ABN feels superior to most Adventists........

[Truth]

Sister (Kris Fiscalini) claims that Danny "knew" his second wife well before he married her. Really? Do you know who his second wife was Kris? Linda Shelton.

First Sister claims that Linda says she would never commit adultery and then Kris says the above? If this were true, then it takes TWO to commit adultery/fornication and Linda would be just as guilty as Danny. So in trying to incriminate Danny, Linda incriminates herself. Do you really want to do that Linda? Maybe you should ask Sister to correct her comments.

If sister really meant "Brandy" Danny's third wife, then this is another lie. Kris gets her information from Linda and so how would she supposedly know such private information? Was she there? You're right, she doesn't know such information. And she doesn't because it is not true. Someone manufactured this up to try to ruin Danny's reputation even more. I wonder who would want to do that?

Danny has never committed adultery with anyone, nor has he ever sexually abused anyone (and Linda's daughter knows this to be the truth).

Just remember this: all will have to give an account of their words someday. It might be wise to be careful.

[uncovering truth]

There is a tremendous amount of irony in Alex's latest rantings on AT. His continuous attacks on Tommy evidence a true hypocritical nature that has to cause one to question his claims to be a "pastor." The human race - especially sanctimonious "Christians" - doesn't take the Bible seriously. Either Jesus meant it when He said to forgive 70 x 7, either He meant it when He said to turn the other cheek, either He meant it when he said to love one's enemies or He didn't. There is nothing but vengeance, hatred, uncaring, in someone who can accuse someone of faking health issues that have been proven time and again. Alex will only be satisfied when Tommy dies, that is the only conclusion that one can come to when they read his posts. Pray his parishioners don't embrace the same values he does.


Alex L. Walker

Tommy Shelton criminal trials set for January.
« on: Today at 11:31:04 AM »
This barring there are no more continuances. I.E. fake stroke, depression, heart attack, or any other excuses that Tommy may try to make as he has in the past.

First Trial will be on the 23rd of January and the second will be on the 30th of January.