Alex Walker wrote:steffan wrote:Who cares if we live together?
Alex,
You might want to repeat that question to the hyper-pharisee, Pickle. I'm surprised he hasn't condemned you to everlasting hell, considering how critical he is of every supposed "wrong" done to him. But then, nothing less was expected from the jackals.
As far as Manly goes, good luck with him. Of course, if 3ABN caves, then you've won your 30 pieces of silver. What then, will be your final reckoning? Somewhat like Judas, I think.
As far as knowing knowing nothing about you, more is known about you, your nastiness, and your dishonesty, than you would like other people to know.
What are you talking about? This is rediculous.
Just so you all know, and all the judgments and surmising and conjecture put to rest, Cindy has been very busy lately, and
has been away, and there are other administrators here who have been and are moderating this forum and answering as she hasn't been able to...
To get to the point, Alex, and Mrst53, there is a difference between rumor and fact.
See Tommy has many accusations against him all of which he has denied.(including the current charges which he decided to plead guilty to) He,
along with every other American, and individual has the right to be innocent till proven guilty by NON-ANONYMOUS accusers and to face them. He has a right to have the evidence against him presented and to rebut it or defend himself. Pronouncements of guilt and judgments made based on rumors and hearsay and accusations of guilt without even presenting the evidence or testimony or facts involved ARE WRONG. Those who pronounce him guilty without all that, or even considering it unnecessary due to accusations against him? Well, that's premature in my opinion and is both un-American, and Un-Christian. I have the right to say and believe this , even though others may not agree, and so, I will continue to do so.
Now let us consider another situation. A young man doesn't deny anything, because? well, in fact, no one even accused him or broughts it up. It was he who decided to announce he was gay to his family. He then moved out of his family home,and in with his lover and begins living an OPENLY and VERY PUBLIC gay lifestyle which all those who know him can attest to.
THIS SITUATION IS NOT A RUMOR Why? Because it is what he himself claimed and did, and not what others claim falsely now. He himself said this to various family members so that is what they accepted and believe and say themselves.(not to attack him, but just because it is, what it is...) Others say it as well for his gay lifestyle is no secret as he admitted to it and was living it and they could see that for themselves.
He and his lover begin to work for a country club and ended up being fired because of their relationship.. No one else would have known this, but this same young man told them and sais he was suing the country club, NOT because they said he was gay, but because they fired him for that and he didn't believe that was right. Again others didn't make this up,and it isn't mere rumor as he himself said he had a case and told them he was suing and why . (obviously he did not win his case)....
Next, he decides to be a minister, and asks for a letter of recommendation from his former church. The church after discussing all decides they cannot in all conscience do that, due in part to the openly gay lifestyle he is living. Again he threatens to sue, even though his own adopted foster father who is aware of all that he has claimed and done is the pastor there. Again, it is not others, but he himself who made these claims.
But having said all this, I will also admit this same young man after all this, now claims that even though he is still living with this admitted lover of his, that nothing is now going on... Of course many doubt this, but only he and his roommate and God can really know for sure...
The plain truth is, this young man's family , his former employer, his former church and even his friends and acquaintances can only testify to what he himself said to them and did in front of them.
So for him to jump up and call others liars for believing and saying all this, as it is what he himself said first, is wrong on his part, and is a lie. To claim these are just accusations and lies and attacks by the Sheltons, and by those who support the 3ABN ministry, as he has a case against Tommy, and is again being sue happy and trying to sue 3ABN, and to attempt to reduce them to mere rumor,is again offbase and a lie. They haven't made these accusations, his own family members who love him and are not against him, and have no reason to be, have said as much because he told them these things himself and they saw his actions in accordance with his words and claims. Others know him and are aware of his choices and lifestyle also as they are public. Did he lie to all before, or is he lying now, and about them now? As far as I am concerned, God can decide. I just know he has lied and can't be trusted and so I don't believe a word he says without evidence and proof.
Pastor Dryden even claimed to be helping... but Alex wants to sue him and his Church of God too according to them....
So Alex,...
you wrote:
As I posted on the other forum, there was a point in my life when I questioned my sexuality. That is no one's business, but mine and God's. He has delivered me from that and forgave me. I believe it is very-telling of certain people that post on this forum to allow that. I can rest assured that all of you do not want your sin's brought up before you either.
See? you say that now, but the deal is you never announced " I am questioning my sexuality", you announced " I am gay", and when you did so? Well, you made it your families and others business and so you can't realistically or even fairly claim that it isn't their business now. You also never announced or made known any repentance, or any sin, to those you made them known to. Pickle, who you have aligned yourself with is BIG on public confession and repentance to all if the sin was public, and yours according to his definition (not mine) is., BUT, as we can all see he only requires that from those he opposes
Really Alex, I don't want to hear how you are defending yourself against accusations here. I didn't bring this up, YOU DID, and YOU DID SO long before you came on the forums.
I do feel bad for you as you have painted yourself in a corner, and will be judged by your own words and actions, but you made those choices, and still are, and will just have to deal with it...
Better to first look at yourself in the mirror and fix what you see, then to react defensively and blame others for what you reveal and they see because you refused to, imho...
can we just move on?
