A poster by the name of Daryl Fawcett has written on the forum-board Advent-Talk: "With another divorce on the way to happening, when are the powers that be, if they really exist, going to wake up and realize that they have a liability that needs to be unloaded, rather than kept to their own hurt?"
It is assumed the liability written about is Danny Shelton as the previous discussion was about him.
My inquiry would be this for this poster: Did I not read several months back that within the confines of the SDA Church you destroyed a SDA home by seducing the wife and making her your own wife thereby committing adultery with her?
Would this not constitute a liability for the Church?
Church Liability
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Stan
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Re: Church Liability
That rumour about Daryl was on my site www.clubadventist.com and it was removed within hours, as soon as it was reported to me.
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Cynthia
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Re: Church Liability
The rumor/gossip is also posted here:
http://www.atomorrow.com/discus/message ... 1202657416
In my opinion the only purpose in bringing any of this up would be to prove the rampant hypocrisy in these discussions. Altogether too many pots are calling the kettles black and think they are serving God while doing so.
The plain and simple truth of the matter is that the main players and accusers in the Pickle team are all guilty of the very things ( crimes, sins, and behaviors) they claim to be so righteously indignant about and offended by when they accuse 3abn.
For example the various accusations against Danny Shelton and 3abn include accusations of financial impropriety and crimes, and being unaccountable to the public for donations, sexual improprieties and sins, harrassment and controlling behavior, lies, falsified documents, coverups, various sins which they say require church discipline such as censure or loss of membership, or loss of job, accusations of suffering from mental disorders etc etc etc...
Then we look at the small group of accusers and what do we find? Not only have many been accused of those very things, but unlike those they are accusing, these people not only do the very same things they accuse DS and 3abn of, they actually have arrest records, convictions, and court records, medical records, newspaper articles and documents revealing this about them.
What do I mean? The Linda-- aka Pickle/Joy team contains those who have accused 3abn of character defamation and false dismissal, but bring no case to the courts while they themselves were being sued for character defamation or are named in the lawsuit filed for that very thing.
They accuse others of crimes both civil and criminal yet there are no arrests or convictions.. or judgments against any they accuse.
Yet that very same team contains a major player who regularly engages in harassing behavior and has been accused of that not only by those he is accusing at 3abn and by those defending 3abn, but by one of the main people he is allegedly defending and siding with against 3abn.. More than several either disciplined, censured, or no longer officers or members of their church. Another who was arrested for stalking and accused of vandalism. One who was found guilty of falsifying records and lost her professional license. Others who stole and copied documents violating their employers privacy and in one case it is grounds for her losing her own license; more than several guilty of adultery; one accused of being a pedophile; a child pornography addict not allowed to be alone with his own children; several substance abusers; several documented with diagnosed mental disorders. Another claiming to be a sexual victim who has been accused of the very things he is accusing his alleged molester of with the same amount of evidence- namely little or none. A convicted embezzler. At least 3 who have falsely represented themselves on 3 unrelated websites and solicited funds dishonestly, and refused to be accountable and explain where the money went. And multiple instances where one or all has been proven to have lied or still be lying, many fired from 3abn for valid reasons but with an axe to grind, or who are the ex spouses of those at 3abn or of those who were fired from there, etc etc etc..,
And all of them covering for each other and defending one another while accusing DS and 3abn and saying they are guilty of cover up and refusing to get rid of the sin in the camp. All of them as a collective trying to control DS and 3ABN and force repentance, and coerce and bring about the changes they want. Many using intimidation tactics and threats against any who disagree with them.
I am not naming names, they know who they are. My point and view is THEY ARE HYPOCRITES, and -- Yes, this forum has had more than several exposes of these people posted here but our response was to remove them all -- except the ones which were posted as a response to what they themselves had first published and exposed about themselves. Why? It's simple. We know they are wrong in the way they are handling all of this and we aren't them, and don't want to become like them. An eye for an eye isn't right. We would be just as guilty and wrong if we did or allowed the same things they do here. They have a right to not have their sins and private lives thrown out there attached to their names for all to see and and a right to be treated as a fellow christian and human being, and not be exposed to public ridicule, gossip, or judgmentalism and condemnation. This is not the National Enquirer or a gossip rag, or a "smut forum" to expose another publicly and shame them or coerce repentance, no matter how it may seem justified or like they deserve it. The ends don't justify the means and it is just not what Christians do to anyone imo.
We combat and reply, or rebut the lies and information they publish. Nothing wrong or unchristian about that imo, but we do need to be careful in how we go about doing that...
My 2 cents, and something I hope we all think about. So-- getting off my soapbox now...
http://www.atomorrow.com/discus/message ... 1202657416
In my opinion the only purpose in bringing any of this up would be to prove the rampant hypocrisy in these discussions. Altogether too many pots are calling the kettles black and think they are serving God while doing so.
The plain and simple truth of the matter is that the main players and accusers in the Pickle team are all guilty of the very things ( crimes, sins, and behaviors) they claim to be so righteously indignant about and offended by when they accuse 3abn.
For example the various accusations against Danny Shelton and 3abn include accusations of financial impropriety and crimes, and being unaccountable to the public for donations, sexual improprieties and sins, harrassment and controlling behavior, lies, falsified documents, coverups, various sins which they say require church discipline such as censure or loss of membership, or loss of job, accusations of suffering from mental disorders etc etc etc...
Then we look at the small group of accusers and what do we find? Not only have many been accused of those very things, but unlike those they are accusing, these people not only do the very same things they accuse DS and 3abn of, they actually have arrest records, convictions, and court records, medical records, newspaper articles and documents revealing this about them.
What do I mean? The Linda-- aka Pickle/Joy team contains those who have accused 3abn of character defamation and false dismissal, but bring no case to the courts while they themselves were being sued for character defamation or are named in the lawsuit filed for that very thing.
They accuse others of crimes both civil and criminal yet there are no arrests or convictions.. or judgments against any they accuse.
Yet that very same team contains a major player who regularly engages in harassing behavior and has been accused of that not only by those he is accusing at 3abn and by those defending 3abn, but by one of the main people he is allegedly defending and siding with against 3abn.. More than several either disciplined, censured, or no longer officers or members of their church. Another who was arrested for stalking and accused of vandalism. One who was found guilty of falsifying records and lost her professional license. Others who stole and copied documents violating their employers privacy and in one case it is grounds for her losing her own license; more than several guilty of adultery; one accused of being a pedophile; a child pornography addict not allowed to be alone with his own children; several substance abusers; several documented with diagnosed mental disorders. Another claiming to be a sexual victim who has been accused of the very things he is accusing his alleged molester of with the same amount of evidence- namely little or none. A convicted embezzler. At least 3 who have falsely represented themselves on 3 unrelated websites and solicited funds dishonestly, and refused to be accountable and explain where the money went. And multiple instances where one or all has been proven to have lied or still be lying, many fired from 3abn for valid reasons but with an axe to grind, or who are the ex spouses of those at 3abn or of those who were fired from there, etc etc etc..,
And all of them covering for each other and defending one another while accusing DS and 3abn and saying they are guilty of cover up and refusing to get rid of the sin in the camp. All of them as a collective trying to control DS and 3ABN and force repentance, and coerce and bring about the changes they want. Many using intimidation tactics and threats against any who disagree with them.
I am not naming names, they know who they are. My point and view is THEY ARE HYPOCRITES, and -- Yes, this forum has had more than several exposes of these people posted here but our response was to remove them all -- except the ones which were posted as a response to what they themselves had first published and exposed about themselves. Why? It's simple. We know they are wrong in the way they are handling all of this and we aren't them, and don't want to become like them. An eye for an eye isn't right. We would be just as guilty and wrong if we did or allowed the same things they do here. They have a right to not have their sins and private lives thrown out there attached to their names for all to see and and a right to be treated as a fellow christian and human being, and not be exposed to public ridicule, gossip, or judgmentalism and condemnation. This is not the National Enquirer or a gossip rag, or a "smut forum" to expose another publicly and shame them or coerce repentance, no matter how it may seem justified or like they deserve it. The ends don't justify the means and it is just not what Christians do to anyone imo.
We combat and reply, or rebut the lies and information they publish. Nothing wrong or unchristian about that imo, but we do need to be careful in how we go about doing that...
My 2 cents, and something I hope we all think about. So-- getting off my soapbox now...
~ Cindy
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Truth
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Re: Church Liability
You have told the truth Synthian.
Sad but true. Thanks for your post.
Sad but true. Thanks for your post.
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Daryl Fawcett
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Re: Church Liability
It seems to me that this later post contradicted the earlier post you linked to here:
http://www.atomorrow.com/cgi-bin/discus ... #POST80594 (later post)
http://www.atomorrow.com/discus/message ... 1202657416 (earlier post)
How these contradictory posts from that site was translated in my both seducing her and marrying her, which are both completely untrue and can be proven to be untrue, is a mystery to me.
I previously didn't like them over at Advent Talk referring to this site as a "smut site", however, posting this here as fact is making me wonder about what type of site this is.
http://www.atomorrow.com/cgi-bin/discus ... #POST80594 (later post)
http://www.atomorrow.com/discus/message ... 1202657416 (earlier post)
How these contradictory posts from that site was translated in my both seducing her and marrying her, which are both completely untrue and can be proven to be untrue, is a mystery to me.
I previously didn't like them over at Advent Talk referring to this site as a "smut site", however, posting this here as fact is making me wonder about what type of site this is.
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steffan
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Re: Church Liability
Your replies, (both the previous one and the one I'm replying to), are magnificently Pickle-like in their non-answer.
So, in reply, let me say:
1. I didn't say you married her
2. I didn't say you seduced her
Those are allegations that your mind (guilty conscience?) dreamed up.
What is posted is this
You say
You have tried to muck-rake all over the internet and then claim piously "In His Love"
That doesn't work when your gossipy attitude is clear, coming here to ask personal questions about the private lives of Brandy and Danny, and then getting huffy when your gossip sweet-tooth is left unsatisfied.
So, in reply, let me say:
1. I didn't say you married her
2. I didn't say you seduced her
Those are allegations that your mind (guilty conscience?) dreamed up.
What is posted is this
That would make the year 1978. Since you say your first and only marriage was in 1982, and this happened 4 years before that, it's very possible you were running after this person's wife (and having no success) before they were divorced.when I accosted him in the foyer of the Monction N.B church....30 years ago
You say
If so, your dislike never showed. Not once. What did show was your utter inablity to moderate a web site where the inmates had control of the asylum.I previously didn't like them over at Advent Talk referring to this site as a "smut site"
You have tried to muck-rake all over the internet and then claim piously "In His Love"
That doesn't work when your gossipy attitude is clear, coming here to ask personal questions about the private lives of Brandy and Danny, and then getting huffy when your gossip sweet-tooth is left unsatisfied.
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Daryl Fawcett
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Re: Church Liability
I was referring to what was posted in the OP, quoted above and especially bolded above.Nikolas wrote:A poster by the name of Daryl Fawcett has written on the forum-board Advent-Talk: "With another divorce on the way to happening, when are the powers that be, if they really exist, going to wake up and realize that they have a liability that needs to be unloaded, rather than kept to their own hurt?"
It is assumed the liability written about is Danny Shelton as the previous discussion was about him.
My inquiry would be this for this poster: Did I not read several months back that within the confines of the SDA Church you destroyed a SDA home by seducing the wife and making her your own wife thereby committing adultery with her?
Would this not constitute a liability for the Church?
Before I even met her, her parents (the then Conference President and his wife) and I were already friends, and I consequently also became her friend.
As my response was in relation to what I bolded in the OP, which I will state only one more time is totally false, I will say nothing further and no longer have anything further to do with this site, which obviously isn't really interested in the truth, but is rather more interested in spreading gossip, as evidenced in the OP of this thread, therefore, don't knock what you are claiming to be gossip at Advent Talk, as this site is definitely into promoting gossip.
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Cynthia
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Re: Church Liability
For what it's worth Daryl. You said: "which are both completely untrue and can be proven to be untrue" but then you failed to prove that or provide any evidence.... However, having said that, I believe it is up to your accuser to first do that, and I don't think a negative can be proved by you without him first doing so, as all you can do is deny it if he doesn't. What I am really saying here is that I believe you about this woman and your relationship, or lack there of.Daryl Fawcett wrote:I was referring to what was posted in the OP, quoted above and especially bolded above.Nikolas wrote:A poster by the name of Daryl Fawcett has written on the forum-board Advent-Talk: "With another divorce on the way to happening, when are the powers that be, if they really exist, going to wake up and realize that they have a liability that needs to be unloaded, rather than kept to their own hurt?"
It is assumed the liability written about is Danny Shelton as the previous discussion was about him.
My inquiry would be this for this poster: Did I not read several months back that within the confines of the SDA Church you destroyed a SDA home by seducing the wife and making her your own wife thereby committing adultery with her?
Would this not constitute a liability for the Church?
Before I even met her, her parents (the then Conference President and his wife) and I were already friends, and I consequently also became her friend.
As my response was in relation to what I bolded in the OP, which I will state only one more time is totally false, I will say nothing further and no longer have anything further to do with this site, which obviously isn't really interested in the truth, but is rather more interested in spreading gossip, as evidenced in the OP of this thread, therefore, don't knock what you are claiming to be gossip at Advent Talk, as this site is definitely into promoting gossip.
What I can't accept and don't believe is how you either can't or refuse to give others such as Danny or anyone else at 3abn the same benefit of the doubt or presumption of innocence, and are so willing to accept that they are guilty without any proof of anything and no evidence except the same kind of empty claims which were made against yourself. Don't you know that those who give no mercy will receive none? What I also can't believe is that you can administrate, be involved with, and read all on adventtalk, and then ignore all that is visible and blatantly and even very rudely in your face and then turn around and accuse only this forum of "smut" and of promoting gossip. Where is your head at?
Because of that you appear very biased and blind to me, so it is better I think that you have nothing further to do with this site as you yourself have decided. I agree with your decision and applaud it. I don't think we need that here or your posts. Since you will no longer have anything further to do with this site, I am sure you will appreciate the decision to block you from it.
Go with God, and happy trails to you.
Synthian
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