The Paternity Test

[Cynthia]

I do think the following post of interest. Especially because as soon as it was posted on Adventtalk the majority of posts on this subject were moved to a hidden forum on Adventtalk where it continues to be discussed and read by all who are registered and members, despite the posted reason for that being " a concern for the child".

If something is wrong, how can it be made right by continuing to whisper about it to others instead of saying it aloud, or by continuing to do it in secret?

Quite obviously a genuine concern for the child was not new, it was brought up by myself as well as others for weeks beforehand, and continues even till today with a new post by another - all to no avail, all ignored, and no moderator intervention.

And yet revealingly... it is not just being whispered about or being done in secret. Posts on this topic continue at present in the public part of the adventtalk forum without editing or removal in contradiction to this expressed concern about the child and the post from "George" forbidding further public discussion.

No words from one admin about any wrongdoing despite "Crystal" and "Tinka"s blatant disregard or non-adherence to that admin mandate. No words that is, except for a post to me from admin "George" regarding posts here on 3atalk days after multiple posts were made and the discussion continued there, both in private and in public on adventtalk....

Ian, you acted upset that this topic was being discussed in public. I was concerned out it too and moved the topic into a private board. I see that over on your site you and others are still discussing it publicly and keeping posts now on this private area public over on your site.

anyway...


The last post to be hidden before the announced concern is below.

I myself, although I can't say why or how at this time, ( and I really do want to do so) believe this is true as I have had it confirmed by 3 different sources who are very credible "to me".

I know... that bites and is not proof for any another, and I wouldn't accept that from most either.

But then again those with the slander have proved nothing, nada, zero, zilch, zip either, and in a fair, righteous and just world all are innocent till proven guilty.... It is my hope and prayer that none will accept what anonymous accusers say, or believe evil of another or even want to do so, much less like that kinda thing --- without proof.

The bottom line is, that when the test is, or is not done...

All will know what the truth is and who was lying and who was telling the truth.

So patience... all will be revealed in time.... we actually have a promise about that. ( one which is guaranteed from the Almighty)

on March 15, 2009, 08:59:47 PM

What belief are you talking about? and how is it wrong? What does that have to do with DS? And if it doesn't why are you putting Brandy's past under a microscope?

If you don't know what a birth date has to do with the question of whether a child was born during or before or after a marriage, then you really ought not to be commenting about any of this.

I would think any five year old knows that when a birth date is shows whether a child was born during or before or after a marriage. But, we learn new things everyday, don't we?

Whatever, Bob... please post proof that Danny had a adulterous affair and fathered the child, either publicly on this forum or privately to me by email. Continuing these word games, pretended innocent questions, insinuations, and accusations without proof is NOT christian.

IF you can, or will do neither? then GIVE IT UP.

and btw... are you still claiming you won't need to apologise for saying this is "potentially true", if the paternity test proves it is not a possiblity?

Ian, I have to hand it to you for even trying to sort out Bob's "not so sly" innuendos, twists, turns detours and all the other things he has tried to throw in here. He is certifiable and everyone knows it. His deceit knows no bounds. Even when it comes to things like questioning Crystal if she knows if DS took a paternity test...... Again, I have already stated that Bob knows different. Bob can go to the source that made the accusation and she will tell him she hasn't made the arrangements yet. Questions?

1. Is the source someone "in the know"?
A. No. It is a person whom Linda contacted with her tales of woe.

2. Did this person contact Danny about Linda's accusations?
A. Yes

3. Did Danny address those same accusations?
A. Yes.

4. Why did Danny communicate with this person when he would never give Pickle or Joy the time of day?
A. Because at one time he respected this person and the help they offered in a serious life & death situation.

5. Did this person know Danny & Linda intimately?
A. No. The contact with Danny & Linda was much more on a professional level instead of a personal level.

6. Did this person have any eye witness account, any phone bills, travel bills, personal accounts or any kind of proof whatsoever to back up her accusations?
A. No.

7. Then where did she get this particular accusation?
A. She says she knows it in her own mind and no one can change her thinking.

8. Why did Danny volunteer a DNA test?
A. Because of the answer to #7.

9. This person wanted to come to Southern Il and "oversee" the testing procedure so has that been done?
A. No. Though she said she wanted to do it quickly her "research" for testing has stretched into 2 months.

10. Has this person kept in contact with Linda?
A. Yes.

11. Does Linda know that the accusation isn't possible?
A. Yes but will let her friend be out all the expense to come to SI and do the testing just so you all can play with it for awhile before it is proven untrue.

12. With a friend like that, who needs enemies?
A. No one.

13. Is there copies of all the emails between this person and Danny with the promises on both sides to keep their end of the bargain?
A. Yes.

14. If this person backs out When Danny is more than willing, will it become public knowledge?
A. Absolutely.

15. If the DNA test is done and DS turned out to be the father, would that become public knowledge?
A. Absolutely.

16. Is this a risk of any kind for Danny?
A. Absolutely not.

17. Is this a risk for Linda?
A. Absolutely as she will lose her friend and confidante when the person realizes she was only being used to, once again, try and bring down Danny.

18. Will this little internet group look foolish?
A. Of course when they go back and look at how they jumped on yet another bit of gossip and deceit by Pickle and friends.

19. How does Pickle know anything about it?
A. Linda told him...either accurately and Pickle made it inaccurate or Linda told him inaccurately and he is repeating it. If she told the truth, Pickle knows the person supposedly setting up the test has not done so yet.

20. If Pickle knows the truth then why does he keep asking if Danny has taken it and also said he "heard" that Danny was a no show?
A. Because Pickle has never cared about the truth and would paint his own mother to be a criminal if he thought he would get 5 minutes of fame.

[Stan]

I made a similar post here

http://adventistforum.com/forum/ubbthre ... er/229729/

[Cynthia]

From the Hidden forum on AdventTalk. The slander and surmising and lack of evidence or support for anything they claim continues there still...

It must be kind of tough for Danny. After all the lies he has told, it's hard to believe anything he says.

He says he is willing, but how do we know he is? He says he signed an agreement, but how do we know he has?

Regardless of whether the test turns out positive or negative, Danny still has some apologies to make for lying on his financial affidavit, falsely accusing Linda, divorcing without biblical grounds, and such.

So you claim but with proof still lacking...

Confession is a prerequisite to forgiveness and salvation.
Danny does want to be saved, right?

Are you his Savior or the Holy Spirit, or the local "Inquisitor'? Do you get to determine these things? I don't think so... Those positions are filled. You really need to get up and off of the judgment seat of Christ. Heeellllooo...

Some (myself included) don't buy you claims or arrogance even while pitying you.


Btw for those interested, in lieu of Stan's requests here, I have sent a letter of inquiry to Dr Day, as others here seem unwilling to speak on her or Linda's behalf or say " I will" in regards to asking her what's going on, or posting her or another's previous claims regarding this.

I will let you know her reply "IF" she sends one, regardless of what she says... The truth and facts and documentation being more important then preconceived opinions, personal feelings or judgments here..


..ian

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Internet forum discussions
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:09:34 -0400
From: Synthian <***-ian@***.com>
To: askdrday@***.com


Dr Day,

My apologies for bothering you, as I realize you are most likely very
busy, but I have some questions and was wondering if you could help.

I have followed your story and articles on your website for quite some
time and found valuable info there and it to be a good resource. Thank you.

My reasons for finally emailing you concern something else however.

I am a member of a forum called "Adventtalk" and there has been quite a
bit of back and forth discussion going on about a paternity test and
Danny Shelton and him possibly being the father of Brandy's ****. In the past couple of days your name has been brought into those discussions also.

As in many online dialogs, people are claiming opposing things,
surmising, or adding comments based on their own personal theories. In
other words its very confusing, but not really unusual for a internet forum.

It appears to me you may easily clear some of this up though if you are
willing to and have a little bit of time, if not I quite understand.

Could you maybe explain how you came to be involved and what the deal
is? Is there an agreement between you and Danny Shelton to get this
done? and if so, will the test be done soon, and how will this be done?

I am not asking for a long explanation here unless you feel that is
necessary. What I am asking for is just some clarification so the truth
of the situation can be determined and separated from misconceptions or
even false claims being made. Any thing would be helpful.

Thank you, and may God's blessings be yours today and always.

...ian

Ian, might I suggest you write the same type of letter to Danny and give him the same chance to respond that you have given Dr. Day.

[Cynthia]

Again from AT

Senior Member
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"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good"
Re: Paternity Test
Reply #227 on: April 12, 2009, 12:03:56 AM

Ian,

If Dr. Day answers your letter what makes you think her words will be truth?

1. Linda contacted Dr. Day in the first place to tell her tales of woe
2. Day bought into Linda's stories and then she came up with a few of her own..hence the paternity test.
3. Obviously those that claim to be "in the know" as ssom got it from Linda, Linda's version of course. Linda also told Pickle.

So, considering these circumstances why would one think that Dr. Day's version was the truth?

I only hoped and prayed they would be Sam. Those posting here and claiming to be in the know weren't even posting in accord with her emails. I thought it fair to give her a chance to explain as no one else here getting information, whether from her directly or indirectly appeared willing to speak up, or clarify that.

So I emailed her as quoted and she emailed me back and said " I have all your answers" but said she needed to know who I was first and whether I was "asking for myself or for another"

I answered her as best I could and and also explained the following:

And as to who I am inquiring for, mostly I am asking on behalf of those who have been posting about this, but also those who are reading the current discussions so I can provide some clarification and facts for those who are concerned or confused. I think it very important to "prove all things, and holdfast that which is good" and think gossiping and surmising should be avoided.

A man asked Danny Shelton about this and posted his letter to him, and challenged some others who had been arguing about this to get your explanation and post it. None of them seemed willing to do so, so feeling it is best to examine all, and you should have an equal opportunity to explain I decided I would.

I have also emailed Danny Shelton to try and ask him the same questions I asked you.

I hope this is what you were asking for here. If not, let me know.

As of now she hasn't answered me. [ note: as of today 04/19/09 she still has not ever bothered to reply]

This appears to me to be a strange reaction for someone who wants all to be public.

It was only fair to ask Danny also. He of course didn't have any problem and did answer those same questions...

Seeing the reaction here tho, and how those who disagree are treated and what they say attacked, that will not be being quoted and posted here by me.

..ian

For those who continue to harp on why Danny wouldn't just take the "high road" and take the test no matter what.....How hard is this to understand? Dr. Day made the accusation directly to Danny. This particular accusation came from no one but Dr. Day. She wasn't told by anyone that Danny was the "real" father of his stepchild. This was a scenerio that she came up with all her own. The details are unimportant. Now since this was a totally made up scenerio and conclusion that led to Dr. Day's accusation why should Danny (who of course knows he is innocent) take the time and pay the money to take a DNA test to satisfy Dr. Day or anyone else, especially when this accusation was based on absolutely nothing but an overactive imagination and Linda's influence?

Why would anyone trouble themselves over an accusation that came out of the clear blue sky from nothingness? Therefore, Danny told her if she was so sure it was true to pay for and arrange a test and he would take it. After all, that is the least she could do after making the accusation in the first place. Personally I would have told her to go jump in the lake but DS was obviously is "taking the high road" to even consider taking the test to satisfy one person. Yes one. All of you people here weren't talking about this until Pickle was told of the situation by Linda and he started throwing words like DNA and Paternity in his posts. Of course making it sound like someone important or involved in the situation had requested a paternity test. Sorry, it's not. Just one woman, under Linda's influence is responsible for the subject at hand. What is really sad is that Linda knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that Danny is not the father but is doing all this, again, just to try and bring him down. She refuses to look ahead to the results of the test which she knows will be negative. Her mentality is just to cause trouble for that day and don't worry about the long term effects of her lies.

Dr. Day made the accusation, agreed to make the arrangements and pay for the test (as well she should) so the timeline has been hers all along. She wants to witness the procedure so how could Danny go on and "do the right thing" when that was not the agreement. Day will arrange for the labs, her own travel arrangements and someone to video the procedure, all on the date she chooses...These are her stipulations. Danny is just trying to follow her rules.

[Cynthia]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Internet forum discussions
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:01:38 -0700
From: Lorraine Day <****>
To: Synthian <****>
References: <****>


Dear Ian:

Indeed, I do have all the answers to your questions.

Could you please tell me who you are and are you inquiring for
yourself or for someone else.

Dr. Day

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Internet forum discussions] On the record
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:33:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Danny Shelton <****>
Reply-To: Danny Shelton <****>
To: Cindy <****>



Hi Cindy,

Dr. Day became involved when she and I were emailing back and forth. She has a story that the whole reason that LS and I divorced was because I got Brandy Pregnant. She claims Brandy worked at 3ABN back in 1999 and 2000. I had not seen Brandy since she was a young teenager in the early 1980's. Her first trip to 3ABN was on Nov. 11th 2004.

Dr. Day gave a scenario that Brandy's child is mine and that Brandy wanted to marry me and raise her child with me. I told her that there was absolutely no truth to that story whatsoever. She said a number of people believed I was the child's father.

After a number of futile attempts to reason with her I agreed to take a DNA test. Dr. Day spent some time with my mother before she died so I spent some personal time answering questions about the divorce.

Nothing I could say would convince Dr. Day that I was not the child's father. So I originally told her that I would take the DNA test. If the test proved I was the child's father I would give her $20,000. If the DNA test proved me NOT to be the father she would give me $10,000.

She agreed to come to SI to oversee the DNA test and agreed to pay for it. She originally said she would come here by the end of Jan. 2009.

Long story short, Brandy felt that I shouldn't take her money as she and I know this is another lie being spread. I told Dr. Day that if she would still come and oversee the test as a witness and write a letter that could be used publically about the results, that I would still give her $20,000 If the DNA proved me to be the father. If the test proves I am not the father she doesn't have to give me any money.

I don't think I could be any more fair than that. She agreed to the terms and we both signed an agreement as such last week. I am now waiting on her to set a date in the next 6 weeks or so that will work for both of us.

Someone asked why I didn't take a test when Pickle wanted me to take a DNA test. I don't owe Pickle anything. I don't even know him and don't think we have ever even met. He has no right to demand anything of me. He is a man who has twisted truth into lies many, many times. He seems to feel if anyone doesn't answer questions or show proof disproving his false allegations that, that somehow makes them guilty of whatever he or others accuse them of. Of course this does not show proof of guilt. A lack of response usually means that his allegations are not worth answering as I now believe him to be a very sick and unbalanced individual and I feel sorry for his family as he appears to have abandoned the title as husband or bread winner of his family by making his life work trying to destroy both 3ABN and me. He should put no one ahead of his family except God. He seems to see himself as some kind of Martyr. Jesus only told us to Go into all the world proclaiming the gospel. He did not tell us to ignore the lost to condemn fellow Christians. God raised 3ABN and chose me to help in the work. Only God can take 3ABN down.

1st Corinth. says we can do nothing against the gospel. 3ABN is growing daily and God continues to bless this ministry abundantly more than we could ever ask or think!

Danny

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy
Sent: Apr 10, 2009 6:11 AM
To: Danny Shelton
Subject: [Fwd: Internet forum discussions] On the record

Dear Danny,

Due to the ongoing efforts of Bob Pickle and crew... (including
Linda's friends Linda Walcker,who is claiming to be "in the know" and
Darrell Mundall, who's latest internet identity appears to be
George, the moderator of Adventtalk, and a fairly new poster known
as "CRYSTAL" who bears an uncanny resemblance character wise to the
absent "sister" and others....)

The latest garbage being insinuated, gossiped, and surmised about is
that you and Brandy had a adulterous relationship and you are the
Father of her youngest.

No evidence or proof has been posted of course but that doesn't ever
stop them.

I honestly am torn between total disgust and the belief that none of
this is any ones's business (including mine) and should be ignored as
a device of Satan to distract from doing the Lord's work; or with
thinking that since it has been brought up publicly it should be
answered publicly and the rumor mill stopped in their tracts, as we
are to avoid the appearance of evil and rebuke those who sin before
all in a like manner "before all" so that others can learn.

It's hard...

Anyway. I don't know if you are aware but Stan posted one of your
emails to him, and challenged others to get the same from Dr Day.
None seemed willing to, in fact all previously posting over and over
got very quiet. So I did. My email to her is below.

To be fair I would like to ask you the same exact questions and
provide your answers if you are willing, if not I will understand.

Those questions regarding the paternity issue and test are :
"Could you maybe explain how Dr Day came to be involved and what the deal is? Is there an agreement between you and Loraine Day to get this done? and if so, will the test be done soon, and how will this be done?"*


As I also told her:
"I am not asking for a long explanation here unless you feel that is necessary. What I am asking for is just some clarification so the truth of the situation can be determined and separated from misconceptions or even false claims being made. Any thing would be helpful."

Many blessing and Prayers,
Cindy

Click on letter gif to enlarge and read.

[Daryl Fawcett]

Did you read the latest on this over at Advent Talk?

If not, then I suggest you go there and read the latest.

It definitely doesn't help Danny Shelton's case!!! In fact it worsens it!!!

[proffaberf451]

Daryl,

This clearly evidences Dr. Day's incompetence. Your efforts to portray it as damning for Danny Shelton only goes to more clearly show that you are not very discerning. Dr. Day's propaganda is nothing more than her desire to couch any results before they are even available. It is simply ludicrous to think that Brandy wouldn't be incensed by Dr. Day's clear harassment. She goes to ridiculous lengths to plant seeds of doubt in the whole process because she knows before the fact that she is wrong. She calls into question anything and everything in an effort to make the entire process - dictated by her from the beginning - as being corrupt. It is clear that she knows she is wrong, knows that she is going to be publicly proven wrong, and is doing everything she can to negate the truth.

She also lies when she says that Danny demanded that she put up 10K dollars. According to the emails, it was Danny who said he would pay her 20K if the test revealed he was the father of the child. She is the one who offered her 10K. Later Danny, in an effort to get the process done and over with, told her she didn't need to worry about any money - just get to Southern Illinois and get the test done. All delays were clearly her doing and her couching it as if it was a burden to her to travel is simply the peak of her disingenuousness. It was her plan, her rules, her accusations . . . she may try to preempt the positive results for Danny - but in so doing she merely evidences her true character.

- prof

[proffaberf451]

Is it significant that the website hosting these pages belongs to an anti-Semite who believes the Holocaust was a hoax? Dr. Day is also clearly an anti-Semite and disavows the holocaust. She was also a regular guest on the Jeff Rense’s radio program. Rense is an ardent anti-Semite as well. Dr. Day maintains this link on her website http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies ... hitler.htm and the links are to pro-Hitler websites. She also does not believe in the moon landing,

Quotes from Dr. Day located at the same site as the pages being posted by Robert Pickle.

"Ernst Zundel, Rudolf Verbeke, Germar Rudolph and David Irving are honest, upright, courageous men who are rotting in prison, just because they had the audacity to expose the many lies of the Zionist Jews about the “Holocaust.”"

"Judy Andreas identifies herself as “anti-Zionist, yet the “Holocaust” is the centerpiece of Zionism. The “Holocaust” has become a Religion. It is not allowed to be questioned – by anyone! It must be accepted by faith – without investigation! It seems there is a “Holocaust” museum on every corner – many of them, if not all, at taxpayer’s expense!
Without universal belief in the “Holocaust” by the rank and file Jew, Zionism could not succeed."

"The lies of the "Holocaust" 1) allow the Zionist Jews to extort billions of dollars from Germany, Switzerland and the U.S. to bank-roll the apartheid nation of Israel, 2) brow-beat the U.S. Congress into passing a bill - by unanimous consent! - to establish a special department within the U.S. State Department to monitor global anti-semitism, reporting annually to Congress, 3) deceive the United Nations into promoting the propagandizing, under the guise of "education," every nation in the world about the "Holocaust.""

http://goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/zionism.htm

Zionism: Jeff Rense states that he is Anti-Zionism, a position with which I agree. However, because the Holocaust Hoax is the Center-piece of Zionism, and Zionists could not achieve their goal of ruling the world, eliminating everyone’s right to speak the truth, and destroying most of the population of the world, without the lies about the “Holocaust”, it is virtually impossible to be Anti-Zionism and still believe in the Zionist version of the “Holocaust.”

http://goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/jeff_rense.htm

Here is a link to a short compendeum of Dr. Day's writings: http://goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/

Here are topics from Dr. Day's site: http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/topics.htm and each one is linked.

Death of the Family: Just what the Jews want

Jews - Wake Up! Big Jews
HATE Rank and File Jews

Jewish-controlled Dept. of Homeland
Security targets critics of Jewish NWO

Sex abuse of children among Orthodox Jews:
Talmud says it''s O.K.

Jewish Kabbalah taught in LA public schools

Our U.S, Zionist Occupied
(Israeli-controlled) Government (Z.O.G.)

The Supposed Attack on Elie Wiesel

Police Have Become Enemies of the People

Neo Cons and Proposed Assassination of Ron Paul

The JEWISH Primary

Hitler: Genius or Madman?

Al Queda is a
CIA/Mossad Operation

Jews Plotted
Ukrainian Holocaust

Israelis warn of coming attack
on U.S. They PLANNED it!

And that is the short list . . .

[Penny]

Did you read the latest on this over at Advent Talk?

If not, then I suggest you go there and read the latest.

It definitely doesn't help Danny Shelton's case!!! In fact it worsens it!!!

Not possible for the average joe to just go over there and read the latest.

[Penny]

Is it significant that the website hosting these pages belongs to an anti-Semite who believes the Holocaust was a hoax? Dr. Day is also clearly an anti-Semite and disavows the holocaust. She was also a regular guest on the Jeff Rense’s radio program. Rense is an ardent anti-Semite as well. Dr. Day maintains this link on her website http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies ... hitler.htm and the links are to pro-Hitler websites. She also does not believe in the moon landing,...

Her website also advocates that swine flu is a hoax! http://drday.com/