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Post made on AT. Saved here due to the recent subtle and not so subtle legal threats made by Lynette Rhodes, just in case of any funny business as things have a way of disappearing without explanation on that forum....
Ian
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Re: Ian and Rosa out accounting volunteer
« Reply #400 on: March 22, 2009, 06:11:31 AM »
Snoopy wrote: on March 21, 2009, 11:01:13 AM
Cindy Conard Ford seems to have forgotten about this thread, so I thought I'd help her out and bring it forward for her review.
Thank you, but I never understood why you felt you needed to name this thread "Ian and Rosa out accounting volunteer" and move all here (and still don't) but I know better than to try to explain my feelings, thoughts or posts, to you at least, as that was attempted many times....
Readers, In reviewing the thread, here are the only posts Snoopy moved here from me or from rosa (which I can find) before imo Snoopy outed herself and everyone else she perceived as wronging her. But judge for yourself please.
( That's all I have to say about that, Snoopy. It seems we'll just have to agree to disagree.)
reply # 1 in thread:
Ian wrote: on October 11, 2008, 09:53:45 PM
Snoopy I am just curious, do you know Mike Wilson?
..ian
reply # 30 in thread:
Ian wrote: on October 14, 2008, 01:04:12 PM
Habanero/Darrell Mundall wrote: on October 11, 2008, 10:11:36 PM
Ian wrote: on October 11, 2008, 09:53:45 PM
Snoopy I am just curious, do you know Mike Wilson?
..ian
I am curious, Ian, do you know Mike Wilson?
About as well as I do Larry Ewing, and others who have worked in 3abn's accounting department in the past...
Habenero wrote:
How? What do you know about him? Do you know where he is and what he is doing? Do you know who he is married to and who his X is married to? How about their restaurant? Do you know who took over after they divorced? Did Mike's X go to work for Remnant? Is she still there? Where is she? Have you eaten at their restaurant?
That really isn't all that important, is it?
I guess Snoopy didn't want to answer either.
laters...
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Edited by Artiste to remove inappropriate content
Note:
before Artiste edited out "inapropriate content" the sentence above read:
"About as well as I do Larry Ewing, Lynette, and others who have worked in 3abn's accounting department in the past..."
reply # 35 in topic:
Ian wrote: on October 14, 2008, 10:16:27 PM
GRAT wrote: on October 14, 2008, 06:32:56 PM
So Ian, why did you bring Mike Wilson's name up? What was your purpose?
Wow. Things come and go so quickly around here.
I am sorry, apparently I am not allowed to post my purpose ...
(Note: At this point I was banned.. the referred to answer... was the only post of mine which was deleted from this discussion. I was banned in reference to artiste's edited post above for allegedly "outing a poster". yeah... bingo!)
reply # 39
Rosa wrote: on October 15, 2008, 08:01:28 AM
Habanero wrote: on October 15, 2008, 01:04:00 AM
Ian, don't you think enough innocent blood has been shed? Why do you gleefuly you lead another lamb to the slaughter? Leave Mike out of this for God's sake! Larry too! How many people do you want to see shredded on the forums? How much innocent blood has to be spilled to make you happy? I don't think there is enough blood in the world to be sacrificed on the alter of your holy sacrament to satisfy you and the devotees like you. Yes, I am sure you are allowed to post your purpose, but that would be redundant. We have all read about such things in the study of religions that practice human sacrifice. History is bloated with religous organizations and their prepostrous sycophants who thrive on the shedding of innocent blood. You are nothing new.
Do you know Mike? I doubt it. Do you know Theresa? I doubt it. Do you know Snoopy? I doubt it. Do you know Larry? I doubt it. IMO, you are someone who knows no one and nothing in this situation and doesn't care for anyone but yourself and the tin gods you follow, yet presume to make yourself a something by crying out that you know everything and try to make yourself a visible leader in a tiny war in which you have absolutely no stake. You speak vehemently against Gailon and Bob accusing them of doing exactly what you do.
In my opinion, you naming all but one here is an obvious attempt at an evasive maneuver, and attempt to cover over, and distract, as was your earlier reply here. Ian seemed to me to have already clarified that Mike, his wife, Larry, etc etc etc wasn't the issue, or of any importance. [Of course it's hard to determine that now after all the housecleaning.. But with the interesting number of members, and guests registered and on this thread while this took place, there is no doubt they surely witnessed this as I did..]
What occurs to me to be an issue is one of ethics and legality in someone certified and licensed using that to volunteer, to possibly infiltrate, spy on and act as a mole.
I also wonder about the fairness in allowing and condoning a whole thread to discuss a certain "Cindi" and accusations concerning ethics and legalities and such, while censoring and not allowing this topic.
To be very blunt - IT STINKS to high heaven.
But what do I know? At least this.. that observation will brand me as a bloodsucker here also.
And... this reply will probably be very short lived also. I may just have to register at 3atalk, to quote all that has been removed here and continue the discussion... I guess the choices made here will determine that?
Go with God.
-- Rosa
reply # 41
Snoopy wrote: on October 15, 2008, 01:33:20 PM
Yes, “Ian” is talking about me. I can’t believe it took her this long to figure things out since she prides herself on her sleuthing abilities. I am sure her new found knowledge has something to do with two people who tried to convince me that they were my friends – Jeanette Brantly (known here as “GrandmaNettie” and at BSDA as “PeacefulBe”, formerly “PeacefullyBewildered”) and Cindi Kline Randall (known here as “ImaAnt” and probably “Rosa” and at BSDA as “Noahswife”). I’m telling you right now, with “friends” like them…well, you know the rest.
And let me thank Cindy Conard, otherwise known as “Ian” (and a variety of names at BSDA including “Aletheia”) for taking it upon herself to introduce me to you. There is SO much I have wanted to share with you all. But now thanks to (Synth)“Ian”, I can tell you the whole sad saga of my very unfortunate involvement with 3ABN.
I was raised SDA but fell away from the church. I have always believed in God but was turned off by a lot of the SDA stuff. When I was spared in a near-fatal car accident in 2005, I realized that God really does protect me and I felt like I wanted to do something for Him. I had just become familiar with 3ABN and so I decided to offer my time as a volunteer there. I am a Certified Public Accountant, a Certified Fraud Examiner, and am very close to finishing a Master of Science degree in Economic Crime Management. I contacted Larry Ewing to see if he could use me in the Accounting Department. He agreed, and I was thrilled. I was being drawn back toward the church. But here is an important distinction – I was never employed by 3ABN. I volunteered thousands of hours of my time and I even made a substantial donation to 3ABN. Now I wish I had never even heard of the place. So much for trying to do something good.
I spent every other week at 3ABN headquarters from January thru spring campmeeting of 2006. During that time I saw and heard things that would turn the stomach of any donor. I have a good deal of experience in public accounting, internal audit, internal business controls and financial analysis. I tried over and over again to inspire some changes in the accounting processes at 3ABN but I was told many times by Larry Ewing that he was not a fan of internal controls and that he certainly did not want to get “tripped up by them”. He also once shared with me that he had just finished “cleaning out the storeroom” and “getting rid of old documents”. I would later learn about the ongoing dispute with Linda Shelton, as well as the IRS criminal investigation. Any organization whether non-profit or for-profit should know better than to destroy documents when they are involved in any type of legal dispute. When I learned about the IRS criminal investigation I called Larry Ewing. While he couldn’t discuss it, he did confirm it. That was all I needed to hear, and I decided to formally sever my professional relationship with 3ABN in accordance with the principles set forth by the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants (AICPA). I also contacted the AICPA Department of Professional Ethics for guidance as to my professional responsibility as I was not an employee nor was I at 3ABN in a public accountant role.
I drafted a letter to 3ABN where I listed all of my accounting and internal control concerns. Still under the impression that Cindi Kline Randall was my friend, I took her up on her offer to proofread the draft of my letter to 3ABN with an eye for ethics and legality, as she had represented herself to me to be an attorney. Thus, she had access to all of my specific concerns in that letter. Little did I know then that she would take my trust in her and use it against me. It was just in the last few months that I learned that both Cindi Kline Randall and Jeanette Brantly were in regular contact with Cindy Conard!! As you can see from “Rosa’s” post here, I am now being accused of being a spy and a mole!! So either Cindi Kline Randall has been talking to “Rosa” or she is now posting as “Rosa” in an effort to discredit me and cast aspersions on my ethics! I was at 3ABN before Bob and Gailon ever got involved!! When I learned of the allegations against 3ABN I was stunned! I have more to say on the topic of Cindi Kline Randall and ethics, but I’ll save that for another post since according to “Rosa” the topic is fair game!!
Here I thought I was doing something good for the Lord and I walked into a hornet’s nest. I am no longer interested in getting involved in church work. For all their talk about “mending broken people” I think the reverse applies to me – “breaking mended people”. There is no doubt in my mind that “Ian” and “Rosa” and company will now look for any and every opportunity to try to discredit me and make me look bad. As I am only human, I'm sure they will find something!! They will probably even try to have me disfellowshipped from the church, but since I don’t even know if I am a member, who cares!!! However, I can guarantee you that I will think twice about ever volunteering for or donating to a religious organization ever again.
So, there’s my story in a nutshell. A big thank you to “Ian” for opening the door and to "Rosa" for holding it open! I stand firmly behind the work being done by Bob and Gailon. There is no doubt in my mind that they will prevail. I have seen many accusations against both of them for being dishonest and misleading. But since I shared my story with them privately, I have not once seen one shred of evidence of that. I also am a firm believer in the great work done by Fran. She is a true servant of God and an awesome accountant! For the Lord’s sake, I do hope that 3ABN can survive the mess they have created for themselves. The problem lies not with the organization itself but with management and the board of directors.
Knowing what I know now, I would not give a “shiny penny” to the organization until there are some major changes made. And I would encourage each of you to share that caution with your family, friends and church members.
While I obviously misplaced my trust in some here, there are others among you here who have proven your friendship over and over. For that I am grateful, and you each have a special place in my heart. More details will be forthcoming, thanks to “Ian” and “Rosa”!!
Lynette *******, CPA, CFE
Rosa wrote: on October 15, 2008, 02:49:44 PM
shaking my head again...
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Subject: my answer
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:39:59 -0500
From: Cindy
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..Ian wrote:
> I am banned there right now to the extent I am blocked from reading the forum eve, Snoopy is answering and claiming she answered before?? hmmm. obviously not true, and Lynette couldn't be more wrong, and thus there is no way she can prove what she thinks and says. Whether about those she claims were her friends or about what she says was at fault with 3abn. Both of those she considered her friends were always and still are far better friends to her, and respecting of her privacy and endlessly concerned about her and her well being than she has ever been of them or theirs, as her posts reveal. She outed them and myself? well see?? that is that 2 wrongs make a right and end justifies the means thinking at work. ( no doubt 'AT" admin will allow it) If they had not been true friends to her, I would have already outed her over a year ago as the mole or spy or thorn at 3abn, for I asked more than once who snoopy was and they apologized and always refused to say or even give a clue. I respected that, as I knew they would do the same with myself where others were concerned.
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> Sad to say, despite Snoopy's futile and unproven attempts to cast blame on others. it is her own posts, and chats on BSDA, in conjunction with Bob's filing of a letter from her in court and the posts on adventtalk by her and others which clicked together and revealed her identity to me. I am not surprised she won't see that. The phrase "paranoia will destroy ya comes to mind"
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> Yes I have been in contact with both Jeanette and Cindi as she posts, and I love them both! dearly!! They are true friends and sisters despite some of our differences in opinions, perspectives and POV in some of these issues --with both myself and Lynette as well. And they aren't the only ones I have been in contact with or vice versa in these issues and forum discussions. True friends are a blessing from God. I have met more than my hands can number of new friends and brethren during these past couple of years, and have a respectful, loving and honest relationship with them and have only received the same in return. Some may think me a liar, I don't care, others might be surprized to discover who some of my friends are are.. Cheesy (not really their business tho...) I have no desire to name, or embarrass any, or bring criticism on any others, because of their relationship to me, but they know who they are and that I thank God for each and every one of them! Smiley True Christians are able to rise above all this and form bonds and interests, trusting in the Lord to settle any differences and reveaal all truth to all in the long run, and bring all into unity with him and thus each other --- if, that is their desire, as it is His.
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> ..ian
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