This is going to be my last post regarding this subject.
If they were facts, then state them as facts. To have them dressed up the way sister did, in a sleazy,slimy narrative, should have resulted in moderator action. Instead, in the name of freedom, you have sleaze on your forum. The issue was never whether there was a chance to respond but rather the vicious attacks on the defenders of 3ABN, again something that was not stopped. The issue was always, if you choose to host sleaze on your forum, then you can't excuse it, especially since you claim to be fellowshipping with SDAs.
princessdi wrote:Sister wrote something Danny and his side did not like, I dont' blame you all, it is pretty inflammatory. However, she believes it to be facts only put into a fictional setting. You say those "facts" are actually lies. She said what she wanted and you all responded to what she said. You had ample time and opportunity to do so. Those who read the Televangelist will also read ALL reasponses, including yours. Don't act af if she was able to post it in a closed thread.
However, BSDA will host sleaze? Without passing judgment? Then why moderate at all? Whether Calvin changes his mind or not is not my problem. How does it alter the fact that the sleaze is still available and visible on your forum? And if the material is available at [not]AT, then what better time to live up to your forum's name? [not]AT will never live up to its self-proclaimed name.
BSDA is not there to make the judgement about who is telling the truth. Both will stand as they are until Calvin changes his mind. I really dont' believe it will do any good to change the status at BSDA as most of what is at BSDA is now also available at AT, if I am not mistaken, and I am not even sure that they incuded your opposing posts............I might be wrong, though. I am sure someone will correct me.
Would those tactics involve stalking, posting sleazy "stories", pointing out "Sabbath-breaking" by Pr. Wintley Phipps, turning on former "friends", slimy allegations that the Shelton kids were sexually abused by Danny and others too numerous to mention? Then the PickledJoy gang have it all. You attempt to equate us with them and that is not right.
while both sides have also used tatics that were less than christian, beginning with the disrespectful way in which you even address each other.
I have called bsda exactly what it is because of the subject material there. Let me know when the slime disappears and I will be happy to change my opinion. And why would I want to rile you? Your words not mine. My view is what it is and I expressed it. Your respect/disrespect was never in question but your loyalty definitely is. Your "friendship" with sleazy people - people who call themselves "Christians" and are anything but - brings up the question of loyalty.
Example, the things you have said about BSDA in your post I quoted(and after trying to get me riled about members at AT attacking the forum and members and admins there, and calling my loyalty into question). I have made no such direspectful remarks to anyone on eirther side either here or at BSDA.
When bsda removes the sleaze the disrespect will also be removed. Why would I change my opinion otherwise? You want to write about our forum at bsda, please feel free to do so. We don't have the ridiculous [not]AT rule that nothing disrespectful about it can be said anywhere else! Snoopy and SDA christian women attributes? Let me know when you find any.
Neither have I referred to either site in such a disrespectful way, save to say that neither side is acting particularly Christ like)i.e. are we not posting in a thread entitled "Snoopy" that is definitely not dedicated to celebrate her attributes as a SDA christian women--and other such threads that are also posted at AT).
And yet, you saw nothing offensive to God in what you allowed to be posted on bsda? That is truly mind-boggling. You did not stop any "arguing" on bsda. A case of "do as I say, not as I do?"
I, personally, believe that the way in which you all are fighting and arguing is offensive to God, as what He sees is all of this fighting between His Children. I know when I was growing up my parents did not appreciate their children arguing between ourselves.
I believe that the devil is more than happy to guide them, and that they have allowed themselves to be. And yet, what you don't believe is belied by your actions. After all, you said that Danny lied. And to quote your own words "he couldn't wait to let the ink dry on the divorce papers before he remarried" knowing fully well that such was not the case. Your own words show your bias and then to say you are unbiased makes no sense.
I dont't believe that Bob and Gaiion are the devils you make them out to be or that Danny is the devil Bob and Gailon are making him out to be. ALL are God's Children. I have no dog in this fight, neither are you going to infer such.
And once again, equating our posts with the PickledJoy gang, is just offensive. The sleaze was all theirs, and yet you still try to influence readers that both sides were equal in footing. As far as I am concerned, if you host sleaze, then you are still supporting the sleaze-bearers. I don't understand how shutting down posting somehow justifies still having all that slime still visible.
We were quite aware that the reason for some of the outrageous behavior on the part of you and Danny's orhter suppoters, was to try and convince Calvin to close the 3ABN forum. I can tell you now that you went about that the wrong way. According to you all because the the Televangelist in particular and the 3ABN forum in general was established and still stands in a "Read Only" state, then BSDA is siding with sister, Bob, Gailon and their crew. According to Bob and Gailon, Calvin has finally caved to Danny's wishes and shut down the forum to posting. So in essence he is supporting Danny's camp
I said that back in 2007, and that is my opinion. I don't believe that any others from our side have said nasty things about bsda - I could be mistaken, but I don't think so.
At this point both sides has some very nasty things to say about BSDA.
I don't consider posting the truth against evil to be disgraceful, regardless of venue. BSDA can win easily enough once the slime disappears. But you make it sound like bsda would like to win with both sides. I don't see how that can happen. Most probably, the retailation from the PickledJoy gang would be terrible if bsda removed the topic. They do have a stalker who has shown what she is capable of.
True enough, Steffan, you have said yours all along, but you continued to use that "swamp" to post, right? Bob and Gailon had a problem after they were no longer able to use the forum. There is no difference to me. BSDA cant' win either way.
Once again, trying to equate both sides, is just plain wrong. After bsda shut down the topic and [not]AT started up, we had established no site. And then, once seeing that countering their lies and deception (on their own forum) was being blocked, that is when a decision was made to have a site to post documents and have discussions that would not be controlled by the PickledJoy gang. The plain fact of the matter is that PickledJoy and gang never stopped. To keep on equating us with them completely ignores the fact that we defended 3ABN. To remind readers that the kind of people who want to "cleanse" the ministry should cleanse themselves before attempting to cleanse others. Our position has been defensive, whereas the PickledJoy gang has been offensive.
Now if you want to talk about fruit, I can see the fruit by everyone. The fact that the closure of the forum at BSDA did not stop the fighting...on either side........is fruit. The fact that you have boht established sites to continue to torment each other......daily.....is fruit. BSDA is not even in the picture anymore, but still the fight continues.......again daily. They continue to say all you are saying is a lie and 3ABN is presently guided by satan, and you say that their effort to "clean up 3ABN town" is guided by that same devil. You both say that your own efforts are blessed by God...........more fruit. Here is the kicker, from my point of view, this has ALL ceased tot ruly be about Danny and/or Linda long ago..............Danny is happily remarried to Brandy and Linda is going on about her business..........but here you all are still fighting..............years later...........about their buisness................more fruit.
At least we agree on that.
Now, I believe it is time to let this go, as neither of us is going to change their mind.