Snoopy

[princessdi]

Now, Steffan, the Televangelist is Sister's work and your know. The forum was open to all, and at a time when not many if any would allow any discussion about 3ABN. For me, I dont' really care, and read precious little of the televangelist. quite frankly I would post some, but as time went on, I only scanned to make sure that there were no offfenses, or concentrated on reported items. It was posted and you can't erase it. You dont' like it because it hits a nerve. Don't read it. Discount it and walk away. You can only control what you do. Not others.

The one thing is that I do respect that everyone feels equally passionate about their position. I guess I am still in most areas on Admin mode, and not really taking sides, becuase I guess I have seen to much of the "dark side of the force" in both camps.

Steffan you just admitted to no liking BSDA, I can't get angry at you about that, because I realize that you dont' have to like BSDA. You were there for a specific reason and then you left............it served a purpose for a season of your life and now it is over. It is what it is. Over on AT the same thing. It served a purpose for them and when it ceased to serve that purpose they left. Rarely are users happy the used when they stop them from using. So, they are mad because Calvin shut them down. I dont'thave to waste my energy being angry. I promise he is not wasting one bit of energy on it. Their words mean nothing to him, or me. Even their agnry words. For my part since they aint' paying no bills in my house, they are wasting breath they will need later in life. How chilldish would I look walking aorund taking aobut "You aint' my firend no more.........waaaahhh! Come on now. We are all grown right. That goes for those here at 3Atalk, too. It just ain't that serious.

One other thing, is tjat God works in myterious ways. I did make friends....from both sides.....really weird. Now the thing is you have to mature enough in your friendship to know that there are going to be things about which you don't agree. Agree to disagree and keep it moving. Danny's mess is definitely not enough for me to kill friendships. He does not have that much power over my life. My temperment is one Taht I dont' need friends, but I treasure true friends. And I know what true friends look like............

When we "rant" on this site, we do it with proof.
And when we start dishing out sleaze and slime like they do, then we will be on equal footing.
I still feel the same way about bsda because of the sleaze and slime that is still visible there. Or are you calling "fictional" work like "The Televangelist" appropriate material for bsda? You (and I mean the management/moderating team at bsda) enabled them to post sleaze and slime and still preserve it.

I did catch a good portion of the rantings and ravings on this site. So Basically, both sites are on equally footing still, and we knew how you ALL really felt about BSDA long before most you left.

If that came through like I was telling you what to do, then I will clarify. I made an observation that the choices were clear. My thinking on this is - you attack my friends, then you are no friend of mine.

A good question is why do you feel the authority even tell me I have to make any kind of choices?

[Daryl Fawcett]

Believe it or not, I am actually content over the fact that there aren't any posts being made in the 3ABN areas of the Maritime forums.

I also noticed that things have quieted down in the 3ABN areas of Advent Talk, which I figured would eventually happen.

[steffan]

Seems like the court has decided to archive it or removed it.

I had downloaded the material and it can be seen on clicking the link below:
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=148&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10#p1124

...
http://ccc.nashville.gov/portal/page/po ... 35979|CJIS

I am having a hard time getting anything from this link. Can some one help me out? Do I need to type something in somewhere to get the info?

[Hyacinth Andrews]

Seems like the court has decided to archive it or removed it.

I had downloaded the material and it can be seen on clicking the link below:
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=148&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10#p1124

...
http://ccc.nashville.gov/portal/page/po ... 35979|CJIS

I am having a hard time getting anything from this link. Can some one help me out? Do I need to type something in somewhere to get the info?

I don't care where you say you downloaded it to. If you can't prove the source then it is no good. It is starting to look like you people just make things up about people you don't like. I plan to make a few phone calls today just to check this one out for myself. I came here looking for a place to read good things about 3ABN - not made up accusations about folk.

[steffan]

So being sister's work makes it ok to post on bsda? By that reasoning, Calvin should allow any sleazy material on his site just because he didn't write it? Do you realize there was a reason to not discuss since they were false, sleazy and slimy allegations? Somehow the moderating crew at bsda missed that.

Now, Steffan, the Televangelist is Sister's work and your know. The forum was open to all, and at a time when not many if any would allow any discussion about 3ABN. For me, I dont' really care, and read precious little of the televangelist.

So visibly proactive means what? The crew was visibly proactive in allowing the addition of even more "sagas" ?
"Moderators and Administrators will be visibly proactive in dealing with any potentially offensive material."

No offenses? Read your forum rules regarding posting sleazy and slimy material.
"By becoming a member of this forum, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, invasive of a person's privacy, sexually-orientated, threatening, or otherwise violate of any laws."

I can't erase it but you can - but don't. "Posts may be edited for content or deleted at the sole discretion of the moderators/administrators of this message board."

Just imagine a "Christian" bookstore having all those Christian books but one section devoted to pornography. That is bsda, as it currently stands. Of course, you won't stock any new porno, but the titles you already have on hand, you will continue to display for perusal!

quite frankly I would post some, but as time went on, I only scanned to make sure that there were no offfenses, or concentrated on reported items. It was posted and you can't erase it.

Even so, by not answering those allegations and posting the absurdities involved, many readers would have gone away thinking what the PickledJoy gang wanted them to think. My nerve always get hit when I see "Christians" getting sleazy and slimy in order to "cleanse the ministry"

You dont' like it because it hits a nerve. Don't read it. Discount it and walk away. You can only control what you do. Not others.

Your "respect" involved implicitly and explicitly supporting those false allegations - the innuendos that they posted regarding defenders of 3ABN, and then saying, without any basis in fact, "Danny is wrong." If you would think that our "camp" has a "dark side", you are equating this forum with [not]Advent and that is just plain false.

The one thing is that I do respect that everyone feels equally passionate about their position. I guess I am still in most areas on Admin mode, and not really taking sides, becuase I guess I have seen to much of the "dark side of the force" in both camps.

I didn't "just" admit it. It was way back in 2007 that I called bsda a swamp. And it remains a swamp. The only purpose it served was to point out the utter evil in those posts. I had no other use for bsda, especially with the sleaze still available there.

Steffan you just admitted to no liking BSDA, I can't get angry at you about that, because I realize that you dont' have to like BSDA. You were there for a specific reason and then you left............it served a purpose for a season of your life and now it is over. It is what it is.

And precisely because you are all grown, I hope you realize you have to choose between those who follow the devil's bidding and those who don't. As the Bible says, "look at their fruits" and not at the allegations and smears against them.

So, they are mad because Calvin shut them down. I dont'thave to waste my energy being angry. I promise he is not wasting one bit of energy on it. Their words mean nothing to him, or me. Even their agnry words. For my part since they aint' paying no bills in my house, they are wasting breath they will need later in life. How chilldish would I look walking aorund taking aobut "You aint' my firend no more.........waaaahhh! Come on now. We are all grown right.

I disagree. It is very serious. To have "fellow" SDAs/Christians spreading rumors and slime makes it very serious.

That goes for those here at 3Atalk, too. It just ain't that serious.

Disagreements are totally different from being led by the devil. A person's character is revealed by their actions, and if PickledJoy's gangs actions didn't reveal anything to you, then you are being willfully blind. That's your choice, not one I would make.

One other thing, is tjat God works in myterious ways. I did make friends....from both sides.....really weird. Now the thing is you have to mature enough in your friendship to know that there are going to be things about which you don't agree. Agree to disagree and keep it moving. Danny's mess is definitely not enough for me to kill friendships. He does not have that much power over my life. My temperment is one Taht I dont' need friends, but I treasure true friends. And I know what true friends look like............

[steffan]

I'm sure you don't. It was precisely for that purpose that it was downloaded and quoted on our website - since things seem to "disappear" - quite amazingly.

On November 27, Breezy posted the link (and I, on the next post, posted the material by going to the link and downloading the information)

On November 28, 1 day later, you wrote:

Yes I agree. It sounds like snoopy is having her own issues. Prayer is always the best answer.

But then you waited till January 15 to verify the link? You waited 48 days from your comment to actually go to the link? And then proclaim "I don't care where you downloaded it to" - rather surprising lack of diligence on your part?

The court's name, address, case # are all visible and available. Feel free to contact the court to verify this information for yourself. I'm sure you will let us know whether you verified it.

I don't care where you say you downloaded it to. If you can't prove the source then it is no good. It is starting to look like you people just make things up about people you don't like. I plan to make a few phone calls today just to check this one out for myself. I came here looking for a place to read good things about 3ABN - not made up accusations about folk.

[Hyacinth Andrews]

I'm sure you don't. It was precisely for that purpose that it was downloaded and quoted on our website - since things seem to "disappear" - quite amazingly.

On November 27, Breezy posted the link (and I, on the next post, posted the material by going to the link and downloading the information)

On November 28, 1 day later, you wrote:

Yes I agree. It sounds like snoopy is having her own issues. Prayer is always the best answer.

But then you waited till January 15 to verify the link? You waited 48 days from your comment to actually go to the link? And then proclaim "I don't care where you downloaded it to" - rather surprising lack of diligence on your part?

The court's name, address, case # are all visible and available. Feel free to contact the court to verify this information for yourself. I'm sure you will let us know whether you verified it.

I don't care where you say you downloaded it to. If you can't prove the source then it is no good. It is starting to look like you people just make things up about people you don't like. I plan to make a few phone calls today just to check this one out for myself. I came here looking for a place to read good things about 3ABN - not made up accusations about folk.

Wow. You are really emotionally invested in this huh. Maybe you should take a deep breath and calm down. Is that all you have to do is count calendar days? Yes, I remember seeing that link a while ago but I don't recall clicking on it. I guess it didn't dawn on my when I saw it that I really should verify it. Based on what others said, I just agreed that Snoopy needed our prayers as I am a firm believer in prayer. But I see now that I should have verified it, as it was obviously bogus. Now I and other readers will know that when information is posted here it requres thorough verification.

[Hyacinth Andrews]

When we "rant" on this site, we do it with proof.
And when we start dishing out sleaze and slime like they do, then we will be on equal footing.
I still feel the same way about bsda because of the sleaze and slime that is still visible there. Or are you calling "fictional" work like "The Televangelist" appropriate material for bsda? You (and I mean the management/moderating team at bsda) enabled them to post sleaze and slime and still preserve it.

I did catch a good portion of the rantings and ravings on this site. So Basically, both sites are on equally footing still, and we knew how you ALL really felt about BSDA long before most you left.

If that came through like I was telling you what to do, then I will clarify. I made an observation that the choices were clear. My thinking on this is - you attack my friends, then you are no friend of mine.

A good question is why do you feel the authority even tell me I have to make any kind of choices?

Per Steffan, "When we 'rant' on this site, we do it with proof."

Yes, temporary, disappearing proof. To the readers here, beware.

[steffan]

Nice try, Lynette, er, I mean Hyacinth Andrews...

I went to the court site, checked on the cases with Warrant no.s just before and after yours and they exist. Not surprising, considering the timing of your query, the one in the middle, yours, is missing. I have sent a query to the court clerk and will post the reply here.

Before you say things like "obviously bogus", remember that there is a whole bunch of information posted that makes it easy to verify. For example, the prosecutor's name, the court date and location, the judge's name and the case disposition.

The kind of "bogus" information you spread comes from the [not]advent site, which specializes in sleazy, false allegations without a shred of proof.

Warrant # GS

Wow. You are really emotionally invested in this huh. Maybe you should take a deep breath and calm down. Is that all you have to do is count calendar days? Yes, I remember seeing that link a while ago but I don't recall clicking on it. I guess it didn't dawn on my when I saw it that I really should verify it. Based on what others said, I just agreed that Snoopy needed our prayers as I am a firm believer in prayer. But I see now that I should have verified it, as it was obviously bogus. Now I and other readers will know that when information is posted here it requres thorough verification.

[princessdi]

Steffan, here is the thing. Sister wrote something Danny and his side did not like, I dont' blame you all, it is pretty inflammatory. However, she believes it to be facts only put into a fictional setting. You say those "facts" are actually lies. She said what she wanted and you all responded to what she said. You had ample time and opportunity to do so. Those who read the Televangelist will also read ALL reasponses, including yours. Don't act af if she was able to post it in a closed thread. BSDA is not there to make the judgement about who is telling the truth. Both will stand as they are until Calvin changes his mind. I really dont' believe it will do any good to change the status at BSDA as most of what is at BSDA is now also available at AT, if I am not mistaken, and I am not even sure that they incuded your opposing posts............I might be wrong, though. I am sure someone will correct me.

Come on Steffan, We ALL have adark side, hence our need for a Savior, right? My point is that both sides believe their causes to be noble and Godly, while both sides have also used tatics that were less than christian, beginning with the disrespectful way in which you even address each other. Example, the things you have said about BSDA in your post I quoted(and after trying to get me riled about members at AT attacking the forum and members and admins there, and calling my loyalty into question). I have made no such direspectful remarks to anyone on eirther side either here or at BSDA. Neither have I referred to either site in such a disrespectful way, save to say that neither side is acting particularly Christ like)i.e. are we not posting in a thread entitled "Snoopy" that is definitely not dedicated to celebrate her attributes as a SDA christian women--and other such threads that are also posted at AT). I, personally, believe that the way in which you all are fighting and arguing is offensive to God, as what He sees is all of this fighting between His Children. I know when I was growing up my parents did not appreciate their children arguing between ourselves.

I dont't believe that Bob and Gaiion are the devils you make them out to be or that Danny is the devil Bob and Gailon are making him out to be. ALL are God's Children. I have no dog in this fight, neither are you going to infer such. We were quite aware that the reason for some of the outrageous behavior on the part of you and Danny's orhter suppoters, was to try and convince Calvin to close the 3ABN forum. I can tell you now that you went about that the wrong way. According to you all because the the Televangelist in particular and the 3ABN forum in general was established and still stands in a "Read Only" state, then BSDA is siding with sister, Bob, Gailon and their crew. According to Bob and Gailon, Calvin has finally caved to Danny's wishes and shut down the forum to posting. So in essence he is supporting Danny's camp At this point both sides has some very nasty things to say about BSDA. True enough, Steffan, you have said yours all along, but you continued to use that "swamp" to post, right? Bob and Gailon had a problem after they were no longer able to use the forum. There is no difference to me. BSDA cant' win either way.

Now if you want to talk about fruit, I can see the fruit by everyone. The fact that the closure of the forum at BSDA did not stop the fighting...on either side........is fruit. The fact that you have boht established sites to continue to torment each other......daily.....is fruit. BSDA is not even in the picture anymore, but still the fight continues.......again daily. They continue to say all you are saying is a lie and 3ABN is presently guided by satan, and you say that their effort to "clean up 3ABN town" is guided by that same devil. You both say that your own efforts are blessed by God...........more fruit. Here is the kicker, from my point of view, this has ALL ceased tot ruly be about Danny and/or Linda long ago..............Danny is happily remarried to Brandy and Linda is going on about her business..........but here you all are still fighting..............years later...........about their buisness................more fruit.

So I take the opportunity to once again encourage you all to stop this madness. From this day on, start growing some restored and good fruit.

Now, I believe it is time to let this go, as neither of us is going to change their mind.

So being sister's work makes it ok to post on bsda? By that reasoning, Calvin should allow any sleazy material on his site just because he didn't write it? Do you realize there was a reason to not discuss since they were false, sleazy and slimy allegations? Somehow the moderating crew at bsda missed that.

So visibly proactive means what? The crew was visibly proactive in allowing the addition of even more "sagas" ?
"Moderators and Administrators will be visibly proactive in dealing with any potentially offensive material."

No offenses? Read your forum rules regarding posting sleazy and slimy material.
"By becoming a member of this forum, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, invasive of a person's privacy, sexually-orientated, threatening, or otherwise violate of any laws."

I can't erase it but you can - but don't. "Posts may be edited for content or deleted at the sole discretion of the moderators/administrators of this message board."

Just imagine a "Christian" bookstore having all those Christian books but one section devoted to pornography. That is bsda, as it currently stands. Of course, you won't stock any new porno, but the titles you already have on hand, you will continue to display for perusal!

Even so, by not answering those allegations and posting the absurdities involved, many readers would have gone away thinking what the PickledJoy gang wanted them to think. My nerve always get hit when I see "Christians" getting sleazy and slimy in order to "cleanse the ministry"

Your "respect" involved implicitly and explicitly supporting those false allegations - the innuendos that they posted regarding defenders of 3ABN, and then saying, without any basis in fact, "Danny is wrong." If you would think that our "camp" has a "dark side", you are equating this forum with [not]Advent and that is just plain false.

I didn't "just" admit it. It was way back in 2007 that I called bsda a swamp. And it remains a swamp. The only purpose it served was to point out the utter evil in those posts. I had no other use for bsda, especially with the sleaze still available there.

And precisely because you are all grown, I hope you realize you have to choose between those who follow the devil's bidding and those who don't. As the Bible says, "look at their fruits" and not at the allegations and smears against them.
I disagree. It is very serious. To have "fellow" SDAs/Christians spreading rumors and slime makes it very serious.

Disagreements are totally different from being led by the devil. A person's character is revealed by their actions, and if PickledJoy's gangs actions didn't reveal anything to you, then you are being willfully blind. That's your choice, not one I would make.