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A poster on another forum stated the following:

For me I guess it boils down to one question,do you believe your own hype as an evangelist?? Do you have the right to "call" for donations when you live in a house you deem worthy by the standards of those you are "required" to entertain? To me NO, not when the funds to spread the gospel have to take in a lavish lifestyle of those claiming to spread it.
You obviously feel different ,so go for it. I will keep my money in area's I am confident the intended recipent's come first.

When we give to those doing evangelistic endeavors, are we to go by our own pre conceived thoughts and usual ways of doing things? It seems we should pray and ask the Lord what He would have us do, where to give and how much. 3ABN is an example we can look at. We know beforehand that Danny Shelton, Jim Gilley and others are salaried according to what the BOD has directed and not according to what individuals think they need. It is then up to those individuals to live within their income. If the Lord blesses their income with more than we think they should have shouldn't we all rejoice rather than hold it against them? We cannot judge them only by their life styles. Why should that keep us from giving to the needs of 3ABN's evangelistic work. They have every right to call for donations and no one should put shame upon that. Anyone who gives to 3ABN can be confidant that their donations are going to the Lord's work.

As for other evangelists, then by all means wisely check out how they are paid.

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odie1962 wrote:post deleted

Well, welcome to 3abn talk anyway odie.

May be we'll hear a bit more from you in the future.

..ian

Somehow I don't think that would be greeted with a great deal of enthusiasm. Probably not the best sandbox to play in, but thanks
odie

odie1962 wrote:Somehow I don't think that would be greeted with a great deal of enthusiasm. Probably not the best sandbox to play in, but thanks
odie

I can understand your point but wonder if it might not be worth the risk. It might be an excellent way to show there can be dialogue without the oppressive hand of moderators pushing their agenda.

Hope to see you back.

Marv

odie1962 wrote:Somehow I don't think that would be greeted with a great deal of enthusiasm. Probably not the best sandbox to play in, but thanks
odie

Welcome Odie! You have an interesting forum name to me. I had a great Uncle years ago and we kids called him "Uncle Odie." He was pretty special to us. But I've not heard that name since then. Glad you're here.

Anyway, welcome!!!

Breezy

Donna wrote:A poster on another forum stated the following:

For me I guess it boils down to one question,do you believe your own hype as an evangelist?? Do you have the right to "call" for donations when you live in a house you deem worthy by the standards of those you are "required" to entertain? To me NO, not when the funds to spread the gospel have to take in a lavish lifestyle of those claiming to spread it.
You obviously feel different ,so go for it. I will keep my money in area's I am confident the intended recipent's come first.

When we give to those doing evangelistic endeavors, are we to go by our own pre conceived thoughts and usual ways of doing things? It seems we should pray and ask the Lord what He would have us do, where to give and how much. 3ABN is an example we can look at. We know beforehand that Danny Shelton, Jim Gilley and others are salaried according to what the BOD has directed and not according to what individuals think they need. It is then up to those individuals to live within their income. If the Lord blesses their income with more than we think they should have shouldn't we all rejoice rather than hold it against them? We cannot judge them only by their life styles. Why should that keep us from giving to the needs of 3ABN's evangelistic work. They have every right to call for donations and no one should put shame upon that. Anyone who gives to 3ABN can be confidant that their donations are going to the Lord's work.

As for other evangelists, then by all means wisely check out how they are paid.

Well put Donna! I couldn't agree more. On another forum Pickle goes on and on about Danny's income being somewhere around 96,000 (more or less) What he fails to say is that was combined income for the President and Vice President. Sam commented that was a pittance. Meaning (IMO) that no corporation that I know of pays their CEO's 48,000 a piece! That is a pittance for those job titles. Pickle also failed to mention they made much less than that for many of the earlier years.

I have never understood the mentality of not giving to a ministry if the ones in charge live in a nice house or drive a nice vehicle. As Donna stated above the boards on these ministries set the salaries. Hopefully the President or CEO's can live comfortable within that salary range. If they choose to spend their salary on a house, a vehicle, a hobby, traveling....that is up to them the same as it is up to you and me. When one earns a salary it is their right to spend it as they choose as long as it is legal and moral.

When we give to those doing evangelistic endeavors, are we to go by our own pre conceived thoughts and usual ways of doing things?

What is so special concerning 3ABN/DS that I can not go about giving where I usually do?? That I must give to DS. On a limited budget, not able to donate to all,.I give where all can go directly to those who need it if possible

It seems we should pray and ask the Lord what He would have us do, where to give and how much. 3ABN is an example we can look at.

Insinuating those that do not give to your chosen one ,DS,have not prayed about it??? Rather a condescending attitude.

We know beforehand that Danny Shelton, Jim Gilley and others are salaried according to what the BOD has directed and not according to what individuals think they need. It is then up to those individuals to live within their income.

Part of what I said on another forum seems to cause you some problems. I could not care less what the stated income is as long as upfront and capable of sustaining what is being done with the personal lifestyle. I do not care what hobbies they have,aslong as the hobby can be sustained within the stated income.

I do not believe DS is or has sustained his very expensive love of horses on 94,000.00 or less per year. Afte 17 years 24/7 of purchasing,raising,and selling expensive livestock , I do not believe it,

If the Lord blesses their income with more than we think they should have shouldn't we all rejoice rather than hold it against them?

Raising horses in the numbers DS cannot be sustained on the reported income. You are looking at minimum of 80.00 per month per horse. Far more if you do not have the 1-2 acrea's to pasture each horse. Fenicing is very expensive for horses. Barb wire will not do it. Vet, farrier,grain tack, stable,hired help, to say nothing of the purchase of the animaml itself.

We cannot judge them only by their life styles. Why should that keep us from giving to the needs of 3ABN's evangelistic work. They have every right to call for donations and no one should put shame upon that. Anyone who gives to 3ABN can be confidant that their donations are going to the Lord's work.

Yes, I will form an opinion as to giving . My right and my obligation to so as wisely as I can. I don't believe God insists or wants us to blindly give. I put no shame on anyone calling for donations. But once they do and accept what other's give them, they have a higher standard to adhere to when it is called giving to God's cause. Because an unknown person tells me I can be confident it means little or nothing. Are you in charge of the books? In fact I get a little more reluctant when I see such blind following.

If I am asked to donate to a christian org I will ask and expect to be told the amount of money coming off the top. I have a charitible org here I give to. Between DS and this org,no contest. Here I know the destination of what I give.
I know there is nothing that comes off the top,except rent for the space they occupy. I don't think an evangelist should be required to live in subsidized housing,but I see little reason to live in a million dollar plus home as the minister that performed in Fergu Falls. If it is paid for within his means and those means are upfront, go for it. It can and is done without my help. I get more out of quilts for those cold and clothing for children that have little or nothing.

As for other evangelists, then by all means wisely check out how they are paid.

This is a little scary. Check everyone out except DS. Got a news flash for you. The first ones I would check out are those endorsed and blindlyfollowed.


I will give where I can and to those I believe are doing the most with what each of us that supports them can give

I believe you misunderstood Donna. Of course you should give where you are led to give. There are many worthy ministries that are deserving of our contributions.

Now on the other subject of horses I question where you got your information. You mention this very expensive hobby and raising horses in the number that DS does. Let me correct you where you have been mislead.

DS does not have expensive, high bred animals. Just nice riding horses.

The number he has? I believe he has one for himself, one for his wife, a pony for his stepdaughter and one, maybe two that were born to the ones he already had. So we are looking at around 5 horses.

He owns enough acreage for them to graze no problem. I believe he is still using his old barn on the Gilley place when he needs to get them out of the weather.

He buys and hauls the hay and feed they require and does the caretaking himself. A combined salary of 96,000 could definitely support this minimal hobby.

So, again, this is all been a matter of incorrect information passing through the grapevine. How many other stories have been twisted, spun and exaggerated as this one has been? Pickle and Joy have made the mistake of listening to an ex wife and ex employees and then spreading these lies all over the internet.

Let's follow the map that points to truth. One example. If the marital situation of DS and Linda was not one of her own making then why did those that talked with the couple together and seperately all come away with the same conclusion? Linda was involved in something she shouldn't have been and was not willing to give up that relationship in order to keep her marriage? We are talking about John Lomacang, Kay Kuzma, Bill Hulsey, Walt Thompson, Mark Finley,
and the proffesional out of state marriage counselors. Every single one of these people said Linda was in the wrong. Every single one said they could see how much Danny wanted to keep the marriage together. All of these people had the facts. All of these people had a face to face experience with DAnny and Linda. All of these people tried to express to Linda that what she was doing was wrong and there would be repurcussions.

Now. Who am I going to believe? THis group of dedicated christians who experienced the situation first hand or Pickle and Joy and their very uncredible sources?

Now on the other subject of horses I question where you got your information. You mention this very expensive hobby and raising horses in the number that DS does. Let me correct you where you have been mislead.

I have read the number 15 horses. Nor was I talking abour champion bloodlines. A nice riding horse is not that cheap. A friend of mine just purchased one for her daughter and it was 1200.00 That horse requires the same feed, care ,vet and as champion stock. Nor are you repeating the same story friends of 3ABN told on the other forum

I don't remeber that exact wording but there is was said that DS sold horses to maintain this expensive hobby.

What he owns at this time is beside the point.
He was able to "donate" two horses, those you claim that aren't expensive that were valued at 5,000.00 a piece I believe and a little paperwork and it seems to have gone up from there.

I think you need to check a little more closely. DS claims to have donated these horses to "ministry" which I find a little shaky. It may have been Stephan Lewis the man, but I doubt if it was a donation to a ministry owned stable. It is a little tough to believe that DS only has a very few horses and he has a stallion for breeding and he was going to have to replace it,
No one will run a stallion for a very horses. Just consider the maintence.

The number he has? I believe he has one for himself, one for his wife, a pony for his stepdaughter and one, maybe two that were born to the ones he already had. So we are looking at around 5 horses.[/quote

I do not believe five horses. You do not keep a stalion for 4-5

He owns enough acreage for them to graze no problem. I believe he is still using his old barn on the Gilley place when he needs to get them out of the weather.He buys and hauls the hay and feed they require and does the caretaking himself. A combined salary of 96,000 could definitely support this minimal hobby.

According to a freind of 3ABN, DS was gone almost non-stop. He also stated that family did the caretaking if it was a weekend I believe, otherwise DS hired help to take care of his little hobby

So, again, this is all been a matter of incorrect information passing through the grapevine. How many other stories have been twisted, spun and exaggerated as this one has been? Pickle and Joy have made the mistake of listening to an ex wife and ex employees and then spreading these lies all over the internet.

I don't know, you tell me. You and I think it was Sam, have told two different versions.

Let's follow the map that points to truth. One example. If the marital situation of DS and Linda was not one of her own making then why did those that talked with the couple together and seperately all come away with the same conclusion? Linda was involved in something she shouldn't have been and was not willing to give up that relationship in order to keep her marriage? We are talking about John Lomacang, Kay Kuzma, Bill Hulsey, Walt Thompson, Mark Finley,
and the proffesional out of state marriage counselors. Every single one of these people said Linda was in the wrong. Every single one said they could see how much Danny wanted to keep the marriage together. All of these people had the facts. All of these people had a face to face experience with DAnny and Linda. All of these people tried to express to Linda that what she was doing was wrong and there would be repurcussions.

I do not follow a map or anything else laid out my an anonymous poster. Then I guess DS best decide which story he wants out there. Spiritual adultery or physical adultery. Impressive names, how ever,an anonymous person cannot convnce me of much. I do not beleive the reporting of what the out of state marriage counselor's said. They have no right and in fact have a duty and obligation to not say something like that about someone that they were counseling.

Now. Who am I going to believe? THis group of dedicated christians who experienced the situation first hand or Pickle and Joy and their very uncredible sources?

I do know I will not be putting much faith in anonymous poster's.If people like Mark Finley is saying what you have stated to others I would want no part of this man either. This should have been private.
Did he tell you Mr/MS anonymous that this was LS fault?? Or did someone else hear it and you are repeating it as gospel.
This either had to have come from DS, which is about what you would expect him to say,or those whose names you have listed . Mark Finley should be informed that maybe he should be passing on personal information