If you support 3ABN be prepared for the devils attacks
Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:12 am America/Denver
I quickly read through stuff yesterday but took a bit more time this morning to read the news article and posts in regards to a recent concert by Wintley Phipps. I am certain that Robert is behind this attack on Wintley Phipps , but using SDAminister to do his biding. If you read the article and read the accusations in the original post by SDAm there is classic recasting of the facts and events - and significant omissions to create a perception of "wrong-doing." Here is a review:
Post by SDAm
With great regret that I am constrained to share the following info with the Advent Talk forum.
This past weekend in Minnesota, Wintley Phipps held two concerts to support his organization the U.S. Dream Academy.
A few things to note about Elder Phipps and this weekend:
-He is a member of Three Angels Broadcasting Network Board of Directors
-He is an ordained Seventh-day Adventist minister of the Southeastern Conference of Seventh-day Adventists where he pastors the Palm Bay Seventh-day Adventist Church.
-He took a commercial flight to his destination on the Sabbath
-His concerts were at 7:00 pm Saturday and Sunday evenings.
-Admission to the concerts were by paid ticket only; sold in advance, and on the day of the concerts.
-Tickets were sold on the Sabbath by the local sponsor (a bank) and by the local center for the arts box office. Tickets also were for sale at the door, prior to the concert Saturday evening. Price: $12 adults, $6 students.
-A couple of phone calls indicate that members in the Minnesota Conference are concerned that this blatant breaking of the Sabbath, by a minister of their own denomination, will hurt their efforts to proclaim the three angels' message of which the sanctity of God's law is supreme.
-It is understood that this is not a one-time event as Elder Phipps regularly engages in this type of conduct.
-It is further unknown what effect this will have upon the work of 3ABN as Elder Phipps is perhaps one of the most public figures in all of Seventh-day Adventism.
SDAminister
So, let's take a look.
- Yes, Phipps is a member of the board.
- Yes, he is an ordained minister of the gospel.
- How would this individual know what type of flight Phipps took? Why would it matter if it were commercial or private? To what extent did he go to discover what flight he took?
- Why does the time of the concert matter? Adventist performers do so at all times of the day on Sabbath.
Now, the next few comments have to be weighed against facts that are conveniently left out, so let's review the article from the local newspaper. The question needs to be asked, "Why Fergus Falls?" It just doesn't seem like a place that Pastor Phipps would end up. Here is how he came to be performing in Fergus Falls, MN:
. . . following an invitation from Paul Lindholm, chairman and CEO of Security State Bank, last spring.
Lindholm and his wife, Ruth, were at a conference in Florida in March when they first heard Phipps perform.
"He had such a presence (with) his singing and his narrative that it just kind of gave you shivers and warmed a person's heart," said Lindholm, who got to know Phipps over the course of the conference, an event benefiting the children of prisoners.
"I said to him, 'You need to come to Fergus Falls so our community can hear you sing,' and he said, 'When?'"
So, it was not a performance planned or organized by Phipps - instead it was planned, organized, and underwritten by Paul Lindholm and the Security State Bank. It is very easy to see a connection between Paul Lindholm's desire to have Phipps bless his community with his testimony and Phipps' US Dream Academy. In order to make it even more attractive for Phipps to perform it is likely that Lindholm presented the idea that the proceeds from the concert would go to the Dream Academy. Onc can also point to the fact that Lindholm was attending a conference on the children of prisoners, as was Phipps. Both obviously share a concern on this issue so the donation of the proceeds is a no-brainer.
Then we get into the vague comment about members of the MN conference. Who was called? How was the question presented to them? Were the questions loaded or leading? Where the respondents conditioned by having to listen to a rant prior to be asked how they felt about this situation? SDAm does nothing to clarify or provide credible evidence that the "responses" were in any way legitimate, so one must rightly discount this comment as hearsay.
Next is an accusation that Wintley Phipps "regularly" breaks the Sabbath. It isn't stated that way, however, it is set up by the "points" being made just before it, which are an attempt slander Phipps and cast him in a undesirable light. How about the phrase, "It is understood . . ." by whom?! Accusation with no support. Slanderous commentary/opinion? SDAm could have at least admitted that it his understanding alone.
And finally, the comment about how this will affect his work at 3ABN . . . just ludicrous! The entire thread is designed for one purpose - to cast aspersions on another individual who supports 3ABN. You will notice, they don't think Matthew 18 applies because the "sin" was "public." When ever they want to tear someone down they find a way to make their "wrong-doing" a public event because then their nitpicking minds can justify proclaiming said "sin" in a public forum. The devil is the master at justifying unChristian behavior and these people are taking their lessons to heart and doing their work with the same gusto the serpent had in the tree in Eden.
Another misrepresentation of the facts . . . that, in my mind, places Robert's fingerprints all over it - if it isn't just a second posting ID for Mr. Robert Pickle.
BTW, take a look at the quality individual Paul Lindholm is: http://www.minnbankers.com/i4a/pages/In ... ageID=3845
- Prof
Post by SDAm
With great regret that I am constrained to share the following info with the Advent Talk forum.
This past weekend in Minnesota, Wintley Phipps held two concerts to support his organization the U.S. Dream Academy.
A few things to note about Elder Phipps and this weekend:
-He is a member of Three Angels Broadcasting Network Board of Directors
-He is an ordained Seventh-day Adventist minister of the Southeastern Conference of Seventh-day Adventists where he pastors the Palm Bay Seventh-day Adventist Church.
-He took a commercial flight to his destination on the Sabbath
-His concerts were at 7:00 pm Saturday and Sunday evenings.
-Admission to the concerts were by paid ticket only; sold in advance, and on the day of the concerts.
-Tickets were sold on the Sabbath by the local sponsor (a bank) and by the local center for the arts box office. Tickets also were for sale at the door, prior to the concert Saturday evening. Price: $12 adults, $6 students.
-A couple of phone calls indicate that members in the Minnesota Conference are concerned that this blatant breaking of the Sabbath, by a minister of their own denomination, will hurt their efforts to proclaim the three angels' message of which the sanctity of God's law is supreme.
-It is understood that this is not a one-time event as Elder Phipps regularly engages in this type of conduct.
-It is further unknown what effect this will have upon the work of 3ABN as Elder Phipps is perhaps one of the most public figures in all of Seventh-day Adventism.
SDAminister
So, let's take a look.
- Yes, Phipps is a member of the board.
- Yes, he is an ordained minister of the gospel.
- How would this individual know what type of flight Phipps took? Why would it matter if it were commercial or private? To what extent did he go to discover what flight he took?
- Why does the time of the concert matter? Adventist performers do so at all times of the day on Sabbath.
Now, the next few comments have to be weighed against facts that are conveniently left out, so let's review the article from the local newspaper. The question needs to be asked, "Why Fergus Falls?" It just doesn't seem like a place that Pastor Phipps would end up. Here is how he came to be performing in Fergus Falls, MN:
. . . following an invitation from Paul Lindholm, chairman and CEO of Security State Bank, last spring.
Lindholm and his wife, Ruth, were at a conference in Florida in March when they first heard Phipps perform.
"He had such a presence (with) his singing and his narrative that it just kind of gave you shivers and warmed a person's heart," said Lindholm, who got to know Phipps over the course of the conference, an event benefiting the children of prisoners.
"I said to him, 'You need to come to Fergus Falls so our community can hear you sing,' and he said, 'When?'"
So, it was not a performance planned or organized by Phipps - instead it was planned, organized, and underwritten by Paul Lindholm and the Security State Bank. It is very easy to see a connection between Paul Lindholm's desire to have Phipps bless his community with his testimony and Phipps' US Dream Academy. In order to make it even more attractive for Phipps to perform it is likely that Lindholm presented the idea that the proceeds from the concert would go to the Dream Academy. Onc can also point to the fact that Lindholm was attending a conference on the children of prisoners, as was Phipps. Both obviously share a concern on this issue so the donation of the proceeds is a no-brainer.
Then we get into the vague comment about members of the MN conference. Who was called? How was the question presented to them? Were the questions loaded or leading? Where the respondents conditioned by having to listen to a rant prior to be asked how they felt about this situation? SDAm does nothing to clarify or provide credible evidence that the "responses" were in any way legitimate, so one must rightly discount this comment as hearsay.
Next is an accusation that Wintley Phipps "regularly" breaks the Sabbath. It isn't stated that way, however, it is set up by the "points" being made just before it, which are an attempt slander Phipps and cast him in a undesirable light. How about the phrase, "It is understood . . ." by whom?! Accusation with no support. Slanderous commentary/opinion? SDAm could have at least admitted that it his understanding alone.
And finally, the comment about how this will affect his work at 3ABN . . . just ludicrous! The entire thread is designed for one purpose - to cast aspersions on another individual who supports 3ABN. You will notice, they don't think Matthew 18 applies because the "sin" was "public." When ever they want to tear someone down they find a way to make their "wrong-doing" a public event because then their nitpicking minds can justify proclaiming said "sin" in a public forum. The devil is the master at justifying unChristian behavior and these people are taking their lessons to heart and doing their work with the same gusto the serpent had in the tree in Eden.
Another misrepresentation of the facts . . . that, in my mind, places Robert's fingerprints all over it - if it isn't just a second posting ID for Mr. Robert Pickle.
BTW, take a look at the quality individual Paul Lindholm is: http://www.minnbankers.com/i4a/pages/In ... ageID=3845
- Prof
) I will contact Pastor WP personally to find out what he said.