Joy in Pickleville aka Fran's latest post
Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:03 pm America/Denver
Someone just forwarded to me a copy of Fran's latest post regarding the IRS and I want to make a few comments.
The first response to her post by Duane is probably only the first of the many to follow that will surmise about lies told and claims made.
What has annoyed and angered me for a very long time as I read these matters is that rather than looking for the truth in a rational manner, many posters look for a way to make what is documentable fit their preconceived beliefs or point of view or will look for something to spin or twist to support the same. There is rarely an attempt to see the other side as possibly accurate on a point and instead, the immediate response is often to call the other side liars as quickly as possible. There is rarely any rational dialogue possible because of hardened POVs. For example, rather than ask someone what they meant by what was said or written, Bob decides what HE thinks was meant and absolutely nothing seems to ever get him to admit he may have been mistaken.
I have no doubt there is Joy in Pickleville at Fran's post and we will all be told that obviously there has been a great lie told. There has been so little good news for those in Pickleville on the legal front that this is another chance to convince the world they are correct. I suspect we will see amendments to pleadings based on this belief.
However, I offer that there is possibly truth on both sides of this matter.
Gailon Joy stated in his bankruptcy examination that Fran McDonald was the one that reported what she believed to be ebay irregularities to a special unit formed for that purpose at the IRS. Until I read that statement, I had no idea such a unit existed. That immediately raised a red flag for me when considering Fran's other statements that she would be told when the claim was closed.
I have never read anywhere that I can recall that the accusations made by Fran were part of the IRS investigation that was proclaimed to be over without any penalties paid. If someone else can show a post that demonstrates this was considered please bring it to my attention. One needs to look carefully at what Fran has posted. She says that she was told the "claim" was still open.
IMO, that means that more likely than not the claim that was opened as the result of her report to the IRS may not have even risen yet to the level of investigation. I am admittedly surmising here but it seems to me that this claim that is open either has not been investigated yet or has not even been found to have sufficient evidence to rise to a level worthy of investigation.
If the above is accurate, then Fran may be entirely correct in her post regarding her claim. However, that does not mean that the IRS investigation that 3abn reported as closed was not in fact closed. Rather than calling each other liars, it would be nice to see those posting at Atalk and here to look to see how each side is telling the truth rather than bashing each other in an attempt to show the other side is lying.
The first response to her post by Duane is probably only the first of the many to follow that will surmise about lies told and claims made.
What has annoyed and angered me for a very long time as I read these matters is that rather than looking for the truth in a rational manner, many posters look for a way to make what is documentable fit their preconceived beliefs or point of view or will look for something to spin or twist to support the same. There is rarely an attempt to see the other side as possibly accurate on a point and instead, the immediate response is often to call the other side liars as quickly as possible. There is rarely any rational dialogue possible because of hardened POVs. For example, rather than ask someone what they meant by what was said or written, Bob decides what HE thinks was meant and absolutely nothing seems to ever get him to admit he may have been mistaken.
I have no doubt there is Joy in Pickleville at Fran's post and we will all be told that obviously there has been a great lie told. There has been so little good news for those in Pickleville on the legal front that this is another chance to convince the world they are correct. I suspect we will see amendments to pleadings based on this belief.
However, I offer that there is possibly truth on both sides of this matter.
Gailon Joy stated in his bankruptcy examination that Fran McDonald was the one that reported what she believed to be ebay irregularities to a special unit formed for that purpose at the IRS. Until I read that statement, I had no idea such a unit existed. That immediately raised a red flag for me when considering Fran's other statements that she would be told when the claim was closed.
I have never read anywhere that I can recall that the accusations made by Fran were part of the IRS investigation that was proclaimed to be over without any penalties paid. If someone else can show a post that demonstrates this was considered please bring it to my attention. One needs to look carefully at what Fran has posted. She says that she was told the "claim" was still open.
IMO, that means that more likely than not the claim that was opened as the result of her report to the IRS may not have even risen yet to the level of investigation. I am admittedly surmising here but it seems to me that this claim that is open either has not been investigated yet or has not even been found to have sufficient evidence to rise to a level worthy of investigation.
If the above is accurate, then Fran may be entirely correct in her post regarding her claim. However, that does not mean that the IRS investigation that 3abn reported as closed was not in fact closed. Rather than calling each other liars, it would be nice to see those posting at Atalk and here to look to see how each side is telling the truth rather than bashing each other in an attempt to show the other side is lying.