Compared to what Pickle says..
Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:39 pm America/Denver
You decide...
Danny Shelton wrote to Gailon Joy in Oct 2006:
Pickle says: http://www.3atalk.com/download/file.php?id=113
"exhibit M" filed with an arrow, placed by Pickle. pointing to the PS:
Danny Shelton wrote to Gailon Joy in Oct 2006:
"Again these are cheap allegations that anyone could make without any real support. For some one who claims to have a legal background I'm amazed that you take any allegation and run with it just because a few people sound convincing without evidence."
"For instance I recently talked to a couple of people who claim to know you. One of them claims to know a family member of yours. They tell me a number of negative things about you that could very well be true, But I'm not going to make up my decision based what they say. And neither am I going to write what they tell me and send it to anyone else to try to discredit you for any reason from what they say based on their words alone."
Pickle says: http://www.3atalk.com/download/file.php?id=113
Pickle says: http://www.3atalk.com/download/file.php?id=114Shelton has surrounded himself with compromised people who dare not cross him lest he expose their secrets. (Doc. 63-12 pp. 15–16). A 3ABN Board member is alleged to have privately admitted to having been involved with an unsolved murder from years ago, and another board member is alleged to have always been a liar and petty thief. (Pickle Aff. ¶ 16). These individuals confront Shelton to their peril. Shelton tried the same blackmail-like tactics with Defendant Joy in October 2006, but it didn’t work. (Pickle Aff. ¶ 17, Ex. M).
17. Attached hereto as Exhibit M is correspondence between Shelton and Gailon Arthur Joy dated in October 2006. Shelton insinuates that he has dug up dirt on Mr. Joy and will expose him if he doesn’t shut up.
"exhibit M" filed with an arrow, placed by Pickle. pointing to the PS:
Feel free to add your own examples of misquotes and misinterpreting and misrepresenting here...Subject: Re: Objectives - Reform and Accountability
From: "Danny Shelton"
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:15:19 -0500
To: "(G. Arthur Joy)"
Gailon,
I don't have to answer any of these queries from you but I have chosen to address this particular one for a reason. I can't believe that you would stake your credibility on the words of one former Fin. Director who has an ax to grind. That's why you will always lose this kind of battle against 3ABN or anyone else that you choose to square off against. There has to be real solid evidence.
I have real solid evidence when it comes to the finances and operations of 3ABN. Thank the Lord that he sent us people like Ellsworth Mckee and Bill Hulsey and others who from the outset of 3ABN wanted to make sure that our financial bookeeping was was squeaky clean.
These men who run huge businesses saw the need in the beginning when I may not have. We have followed theirs and the rest of the boards recommendations.
There is a reason that the former Fin. Dir. that you speak of has not been with 3ABN for many years. I won't go into that but I will say that the rapid growth of 3ABN since it's beginning constantly requires changes. Today we have a great group of 6-8 professionals in the accounting department. We not only have accountants, but also have a CPA as chief financial officer.
I am not single handedly controlling all financial and operations, though by the by laws I am in charge of day to day operations.
Through out our over 20 years in business we have hired outside accounting and outside auditors. We are represented by one of the best accredited auditing teams in the Midwest. They will testify in court for us, and in fact already have, over our property tax case with the State of Illinois. They will also testify that I am not a one man decision maker but that we have for years even had a financial and audit committee within the board of 3ABN which also now includes another financial professional as well as other professional business people.
We have been in court with the state of Ill. over property taxes for several years. They have looked with a fine tooth comb at any possible reasons to justify their decision that 3ABN should pay property taxes. We are now in appeal and believe we will win this appeal hands down.
The state of Illinois did not find any of the kind of financial discrepancies that you say a former financial director (who was not even a CPA), accuses us of. In fact, the state of Illinois court case in my opinion, establishes the fact that 3ABN is operating according to law.
Another point is the fact that we have always had either GC, or NAD and or the Illinois Conf. Pres. on our board for most of the life of 3ABN. Until recently, because of retirement from the GC. G. Ralph Thompson, the under secretary to the General Conf was a board member, to the best of my recollection for 16-18 years. Also retired from the North American Division as Communication Director, is Owen Troy. Owen has health problems but still attends board meetings as he has for over the last 20 years. The last few years his daughter, Carmelita Troy, who is an accounting professional, sits in his spot on the board of 3ABN.
Elder G Ralph Thompson and Elder Owen Troy have testified many times over the years concerning the operations of 3ABN to the world leaders of this church. So has numerous Con. Pres. such as the one we have now, Ken Denzlow.
Gailon, what you don't seem to understand is that any organization the size and age of 3ABN will have a few people who have an ax to grind and will speak accusations loosely against such an organization as usually they are not held accountable. This is the norm.
There is a big difference between accusations from people like the former Fin. Dir. you speak about and the actual audited records kept by 3ABN and respected Auditing firms such as the one that 3ABN has been working with for over 20 years.
I also think it should send some kind of red flag that Linda who was Vice President of 3ABN for many years only decides that things were run badly there after she is no longer with 3ABN. She has been as well informed of finances and operations as anybody in the ministry. If things immoral or illegal were going on all those years why didn't she report it to anyone? If there were such "bad" things going on at 3ABN for so many years then she too as Vice President and board member would be accountable for those things which happened during her tenure also.
Again these are cheap allegations that anyone could make without any real support. For some one who claims to have a legal background I'm amazed that you take any allegation and run with it just because a few people sound convincing without evidence.
Danny
ps. For instance I recently talked to a couple of people who claim to know you. One of them claims to know a family member of yours. They tell me a number of negative things about you that could very well be true, But I'm not going to make up my decision based what they say. And neither am I going to write what they tell me and send it to anyone else to try to discredit you for any reason from what they say based on their words alone.