Echo wrote:Simpson brought up a cornucopia of important points that further open the window of clarity on the behavior, intentions and factual manipulations of Mr. Pickle.
I would like to see Mr. Pickle prove that his $6.00 shower, taken in New Lisbon, Wisconsin, and trip to Madison, Wisconsin was truly related to gathering information pertinant to the litigation at hand. Should a court allow Mr. Pickle's request to be reimbursed without proving this and his other claims, it would be used by Mr. Pickle, as Simpson noted, as proof that it was a legitimate expense, giving him a false sense of further credibility that he could cite endlessly in his constant rantings. IMO, it is looking more like Mr. Pickle's attempt to be reimbursed for this cost and for the mileage to get there as an expense actually related to the law suit could be classified as false, which would make Mr. Pickle a bearded faced liar.
I would like him to have to prove his trip and shower were related to gathering info pertinent to the lawsuit also, as I am quite sure it was not so he can not do so.
Atty Simpson filed the following in 3abn's opposition to Pickle and Joy's original memorandum seeking reimbursement of their costs and expenses. I don't know how he could be any clearer in the following excerpts taken from that document. Found here:
http://www.3atalk.com/download/file.php?id=84
Defendants then brought up the issue of their litigation costs. The Court verbally advised the parties that the Defendants may file a motion for costs, that the Plaintiffs would have an opportunity to respond to it, and that costs might or might not be awarded.
The Court advised the parties that its allowance of a motion for costs did not indicate that it had determined costs were awardable. Notably, the Court did not authorize a motion for reimbursement of attorneys fees and general litigation expenses.
On November 13, 2008, the Defendants filed the present motion ostensibly for “costs,” but in substance seeking recovery of $110,000 of claimed expenses which are clearly not recoverable as costs. Half of the claimed amount is for attorneys fees; $20,000 is for an undisclosed expert whose services were never used in any court filing; and $30,000 is for Defendant Pickle’s “cost of time.” None of the items claimed would qualify as costs under 28 U.S.C. § 1920.
[UNITED STATES CODE TITLE 28 > PART V > CHAPTER 123 > § 1920
28 U.S.C. § 1920. Taxation of costs
A judge or clerk of any court of the United States may tax as costs the following:
(1) Fees of the clerk and marshal;
(2) Fees of the court reporter for all or any part of the stenographic transcript necessarily obtained for use in the case;
(3) Fees and disbursements for printing and witnesses;
(4) Fees for exemplification and copies of papers necessarily obtained for use in the case;
(5) Docket fees under section 1923 of this title;
(6) Compensation of court appointed experts, compensation of interpreters, and salaries, fees, expenses, and costs of special interpretation services under section 1828 of this title.
A bill of costs shall be filed in the case and, upon allowance, included in the judgment or decree.]
Not only are the claimed expenses not recoverable because they are not necessary to avert legal prejudice to the Defendants arising from the dismissal and are not “costs,” there is insufficient justification provided to determine whether the amounts claimed are justified – that is, whether the expenses were reasonable and necessary. The entire claim must be rejected for these reasons
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B. Defendants’ Motion Should be Denied Because the Claimed Costs and Fees Were Not Reasonably and Necessarily Incurred.
Defendants’ claim for costs and fees should be denied for the additional reason that
Plaintiffs have not met their burden of showing that the fees and costs were necessarily incurred. They have not presented evidence that would permit this Court to ascertain what the expenses were for, and how they advanced the litigation. Instead, Defendants have simply presented, in effect, all the expenses they incurred and left it to the Court to divine which ones were reasonable and necessary.
The Court should deny the request based on the complete absence of evidentiary justification.
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4. The Claim for Mileage Must be Denied.
Defendants seek $993.62 as reimbursement for two “fact-finding” trips to locations in Illinois and Wisconsin. Defendants do not supply any authority for the award of a party’s transportation expense, which is not on the exclusive list of recoverable costs found at 28 U.S.C. § 1920. Further, Defendants do not show how reimbursement of these expenses would mitigate legal prejudice arising from the voluntary dismissal of the case. The claim for mileage must be denied.
5. The Claim for Miscellaneous Expenses Must be Denied.
Defendants seek $4,614.90 as reimbursement of "miscellaneous” expenses incurred that are listed in the Pickle Affidavit at Table 2. None of these items is a recoverable cost. None of them need be reimbursed in order to avert prejudice arising from the dismissal. Some extreme examples of Defendants’ overreaching can be found on Table 2, for example, where Pickle seeks $6.00 for a shower he took on April 25, 2008 at the North Lisbon Travel Center. In the annals of jurisprudence, it is doubtful that anybody ever sought reimbursement for a shower as a litigation cost. More to the point, it is hard to see how reimbursing Pickle for his shower will alleviate prejudice resulting from dismissal of this lawsuit. Presumably he would have showered anyway. The same is true of each expense on the list – they would have been incurred and would not have been recoverable no matter what the outcome of the litigation was, and reimbursing Defendants for them will not alleviate any legal prejudice arising from the dismissal
I am quoting the only things from the reply memo that Pickle filed which are even halfway responsive to the quoted material above :
http://www.3atalk.com/download/file.php?id=92
II. PLAINTIFFS’ OBJECTIONS REBUTTED
A. Expenses Reasonably and Necessarily Incurred
The costs, expenses, and fees referenced in the instant motion were reasonably and necessarily incurred. (Pickle Aff. ¶¶ 32, 37, 45, 53; Affidavit of Lynette ******; Affidavit of Laird Heal (hereafter “Heal Aff.”)). Attorney Heal has submitted an additional invoice for later services amounting to an additional $9,524. (Heal Aff. ¶¶ 8–9, Ex. A pp. 16–20).
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D. Travel Expenses for Two Trips
The reported mileage and miscellaneous travel expenses were as much expenses of this litigation as any other. These trips resulted in securing, inter alia, (a) documentation from 1998 of 3ABN’s virtual gift of a house to Shelton as a retirement benefit whereby Shelton profited by almost $129,000 in one week, and (b) the 1757-page record from 3ABN’s property tax case in which Shelton testified under oath that he received neither housing nor retirement benefits.(Pickle Aff. ¶¶ 32–36).
E. Miscellaneous Expenses
The Plaintiffs object to the $6 shower. (Doc. 140 p. 16). Of the expenses associated with the two fact-finding trips, only one night’s lodging was obtained in a motel. Ordinarily, the cost of a shower is included in the price of a room. However, if in the interests of economy other arrangements are made for repose, one might have to instead obtain a shower as a trucker does, by purchasing one at a truck stop. Doing so makes that cost no less a travel expense than the accommodations attorneys that charge $300 an hour may be more accustomed to.
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The record will now contain explanations for the various other expenses of this category. (Pickle Aff. ¶¶ 38–44)
Of course none of the above is related to his travel expenses to Wisconsin, (excepting the mentioning of the shower he took while there) nor does it meet the "burden of showing that the fees and costs were necessarily incurred." They still "have not presented evidence that would permit the Court to ascertain what the expenses were for, and how they advanced the litigation." So there is still a "complete absence of evidentiary justification."
Going to the affidavit Pickle referred to above:
http://www.3atalk.com/download/file.php?id=95 I find NOTHING about the "fact finding" Wisconsin trip or shower...
In the latest document. again Simpson brings up the lack of supporting evidence for costs:
The only remaining issue is the pending motion by Defendants for reimbursement of “costs,” which to them means every expense they incurred that is metaphysically related to this case, including Mr. Pickle’s cost of showering at a camp site while supposedly traveling to investigate allegations related to the lawsuit.
And again, in his typical non-responsive Bob fashion he ignores the point and question --of what allegations related to the lawsuit he was investigating and how his travel expenses to Wisconsin (including the shower) was related to the case-- while pretending to respond by supplying the following 2 arguments and this rationalization for why he should be reimbursed.:
(The first can be read here:
http://www.3atalk.com/download/file.php?id=113 My condensed version of it is as follows:)
1.)Pickle starts out accusing DS of plundering millions. He cites a bunch of what he thinks are correct figures for legal expenses, book deals, what was paid where, and to who, and how much a board member sold his company for, etc. He argues about whether McNeilus did or did not foot the legal bill, and then whether it was properly reported, or not, as he can prove nothing. Finally he comes to the point and conclusion he is apparently trying to make the whole time, and the only thing even halfway relevant, which is:
"How comparatively miniscule are all of the Defendants’ costs, expenses, and fees, not to mention the $6 shower."
and 2.)
“N. Lisbon Travel Center” where the shower was purchased is a truck stop, not a camp site.
Words can not adequately express what my reaction was at reading those 2 things...
But anyway, their reply to 3abn's opposition to their motion for costs also included an affidavit from their undisclosed "expert", Snoopy. It is equally non responsive. She replies just like Pickle, giving her personal opinion that the expenses are necessary to the case, and apparently expecting the court to accept her word that the claims are justified and necessary, and without any supporting evidence or explanations to validate that, order 3abn to pay her also...
I don't pretend to understand that kind of thinking.
Lynette D. Rhodes deposes and testifies to the following under penalty of perjury:
1. I am a Certified Public Accountant licensed in the State of California and a Certified Fraud Examiner certified by the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners. I make this affidavit based upon my knowledge and information.
2. I submitted the following invoices to Bob Pickle (filed at Docket Entry # 132-2) for professional services actually rendered in relation to Case No. 07-40098-FDS brought before the honorable United States District Court, District of Massachusetts:
September 30, 2007 #1350
October 31, 2007 #1372
November 30, 2007 #1394
December 31, 2007 #1414
January 31, 2008 #1429
February 28, 2008 #1443
March 31, 2008 #1465
April 30, 2008 #1487
May 31, 2008 #1501
June 30, 2008 #1522
July 31, 2008 #1548
August 31, 2008 #1561
September 30, 2008 #1589
October 31, 2008 #1603
These invoices correctly present costs that were necessarily incurred in the above referenced case, which set forth very broad and general allegations in the original complaint. The total amount due is $20,342.32 as of October 31, 2008.
FURTHER YOUR AFFIANT SAYETH NOT.
Signed and sealed this 8th day of December, 2008.
/s/ Lynette D. Rhodes
Lynette D. Rhodes, CPA, CFE