Stan wrote:So much done by some ( 3 different groups)
1- Some Nice Folks
2 - Gossip mongers
3 - Rumour mongers
Gave the impression that 3ABN should be run in a manner similar to a mom and pop operations.
I am not aware, and perhaps someone can correct me, that there was any that ran successful business of any size.
What you are saying with this is unless you have run a business or a ministry of this type, ShutUp and go mind your own business. Most have not been a conference president or a pastor either so by your thinking do not say anything,do not call to account.
It is like they are saying "you need to run that the way I would"
Some may seem like they are saying that,but most that sincerely felt or do feel there are issues with 3ABN that should be rectified have been scoffed at ,called names etc. The Bob and Gailon side have done more than their share in that. Bob and Gailon's wrong does not make everything right with 3ABN.
Many of the folks that are on the BOD know how to make business work and grow.
To make 3ABN grow has little to do with the personal behaviour of DS or those that know of issues that should be stopped.
Many sucessful ministries out there,most non SDA and they have a great following. Look at the sucess of PTL and Jimmy Baker before he got caught with his pantsdown. Highly sucessful and had fantastic growth. And that means what?
I also doubt, if any of the 'concerned' were committed to the ministry with their dollars. Perhaps someone can show me where I am wrong there as well.
Unless one has owned a business,run a ministry and donated to 3ABN,it should not be a concern of anyone. 3ABN has taken on the role of adventism to the public. Whether or not that was their plan is beside the point,that is the reality.
Taking this to it's logical conclusion unless one has been a communications director there should be no critisim no matter how corrupt one may be{that is not personal only an example}
Unless you have been a conference president you can not critize or attempt make change of any kind when that position is held by a corrupt party. Pastors would also be exempt unless one had been a pastor.
One very effective way to silence dissent or critical statements of SDA's is to bring out the old rumor and gossip club.Use it frequently it is very effective.
There are those that have little time for Bob and Gailon that are firmly in the camp of believing there are issues that should be made right. Doubtful that will come as Bob and Gailon have made it so abhorrant that most are just walking away. They still hold the same opinion on DS,but cannot stomach what is being done by the other side.
Unless Bob and Gailon are sucessful in their legal attempts now,I suspect they will really rachet up the accusations etc until they go to far. If, and I believe it more than a possibility,that the lawsuit was dismissed,there were issues that 3ABN/DS did not want coming out. But if Bob and Gailon have a hold of it,it will come out, one way or another
Just some random thoughts..
I was really glad to see Bonny the goldfish was not given the credit for your random thoughts